Helmet??? Friends

  • View author's info posted on Feb 14, 2006 12:02


    Sbraz,

    Your laws in some way maybe more "free" than ours. I know touring in Ireland solo it was nice not to worry about doppler corrected moving radar guns and radar speed traps where no threat to public safety has to be proven only a measurement made. A friend of mine in Greece was suprised at how strict our traffic laws are.
    Laws are profitable and generate alot of income while removing an individuals choice to decide for themselves what is right or wrong for them.
    H1A makes a choice based on her beliefs and I think no law should infringe on that choice just because others have a fear of death.
    HarleyChic makes an interesting point about jewelry being dangerous as well.
    Should we outlaw jewelry while we mandate helmets? No
    Life is a risk and one should be free to choose their own risk in pursuit of personal happiness.
    "Their is no Freedom without the Freedom to Fail" Erich Fromm

    I choose as I see fit to wear or not to wear a helmet and that choice, that freedom to me is life. Without choice I am already a dead slave at the mercy of those children afraid of life itself and perpetuating institutions that feed them.
    Can you imagine what it would be like if the law mandated that you couldn't wear a full helmet or darkened visor so highway and intersection cameras could clearly identify you on your bike?

    "give me liberty or give me death!"

    Law is necessary to resolve conflicts not to constrict the free.

    Government benefit from fines
    Insurance benefits from profits
    Medical benefit from good spare parts.

    Individual choice brings a conflict to the scene when one is allowed to choose for one's own benefit and no benefit can be gained by punishment and no reward reaped by restrictions.

    Peace
    SSoul
  • View author's info posted on Feb 11, 2006 18:50


    I would never ever ride without a helmet. Besides giving protection if your head hits the road, they protect the eyes and face from flying debris, like sand from dump trucks, big bugs, rocks thrown from tires.
    I have wiped out due to gravel in a parking lot and my head hit the concrete, no problem because I was wearing my helmet.

    Brad
  • View author's info posted on Feb 11, 2006 05:10


    Heard recently that Virginia has passed the no helmet law--to be required only for under 21yrs. Don
    t know when it goes into effect --will keep you posted!!
  • View author's info posted on Feb 08, 2006 05:23


    saxon write:
    mick2003 write:
    Harleys1Angel write:
    Good for you MrSbraz!! Some people are just like you here and some like to experience the "wind in their hair". It's a very free feeling. This is my personal take on the whole helmet thing, If it is law, then I will wear one. But if there is no law, I will not wear one. Why? Because I work on an ambulance. The people that I have seen that have worn a helmet usually are paralysed when in a bad motorcycle accident. The ones who don't wear a helmet are dead. I would rather be dead than paralysed. Because I am not afraid of dying - going to heaven you know! That's just my reason. I don't know about anyone else's reasons.


    I agree with Hardly 1 Angel (heheheheh - c'mon, I'm just teasing!)

    Besides, "laws" are opinions of overgrown school children who want everyone else to live their lives according to their dictates, instead of allowing everyone to live their lives the way they see fit (God-given self determination) as long as they don't intentionally hurt others. And those opinions, aka, "laws," change faster than some people change underwear.

    Theoretically, adults can look at the situation and think through and accept the foreseeable consequences, and act accordingly (the whole concept of self-determination in a nutshell). Overgrown school children think they are the only ones who can think through the issue and usually see the worst-case-scenerio, thus, think they need to protect everybody else from themselves. I am surprised that laws haven't been passed yet requiring everyone to wear helmets, gloves, rubber inflatable suits, and never do anything. hahahaha

    Mick

    DISCLAIMER: The foregoing is an oversimplification and is not to be taken as an in-depth explanation of my full opinion.


    Good points Mick ........... sadly the wearing of helmets is compulsory in the UK, although given the choice I'd still prefer to wear one, guess it's just what ya get used to.

    By the way Mick ...... like the bike !


    Saxon.. Nothin wrong with wearin a lid if thats what you choose... Just wish we could choose!!
  • View author's info posted on Feb 07, 2006 03:55


    mick2003 write:
    From something I read a while back: The ancient Greeks had a rule that whenever a legislator proposed a new law, they would make the legislator stand on a pedestal with a rope around his neck. The proposed law was read to the people. If the people liked the proposal, they would take the legislator down from the pedestal. If they did not like the proposal, they would kick the pedestal out from under him.

    Needless to say, proposed laws were few and far between, and personally, I like the idea.


    Sounds right to me!!! LOL
  • View author's info posted on Jan 31, 2006 19:07


    NORTY write:
    I wear a helmet-everytime. I wear a snell approved helmet-everytime. The DOT helmet is tested to 11 mph. (That is the speed of a falling object from 4 feet in height.)I'll never ride without a helmet again. Have I ridden before without? Yup. Would I do it again? Not by choice. Have I been on the asphalt? Yup. Is it harder than my skull? Yup. I keep my brain in my helmet. If 2 riders go down and 1 of them didn't wear a helmet and they're both competing for the last hospital bed available-which one should get the bed? Which one should get the best medical care? Kinda makes ya think,doesn't it...?

    No not really!!! Your choice is yours and I would like to keep mine thanks!! Weather someone should get the medical attention over another because they wore a helmet is ludicrous. I do not understand that thinking whatsoever, that's like saying if a Doctor and a mechanic both got hurt then the doctor deserves the bed over the mechanic?? He is more valuable because he chose to be a doctor?? More valuable to who??? Society?? No... u can kick rocks with that analogy!! No offense but come on dude!!
  • View author's info posted on Jan 31, 2006 19:00


    In Calif most all bikers wear lids which are not real helmets, we buy DOT stickers and put on the back of them so that the cops don't hassle us... They weigh much less and are more comfortable than real helmets and it feels good to defy our government for telling us (grown adults) what we HAVE to wear!!

    Statistically there is very little proof that helmet laws have lowered motorcycle related deaths. The related deaths have remained about the same as before. It is just another way to control us and make money off of our hobbies. Helmet laws created government jobs. Same with motorcycle licenses. The lack of choice is what pizzez us off!! Helmets are Hot and heavy and very constrictive.

    If they were really worried about our health it would be leathers that would be law, they save more injury than anything else that could be worn.

    It is now a law in our town that my children are given tickets for not wearing bicycle helmets. Cops actually pull over 10 yr olds and give $50.00 tickets to children on thier way home from school. Pretty soon u will be required to wear a helmet on your F'ing BIGWHEEL!!

    We as children survived without all of these laws, how we managed seems to have missed legislation.. the truth is its all about MONEY ... these laws are just making life miserable and expensive to do anything!
  • View author's info posted on Jan 31, 2006 06:05


    welcome Ready to the forums
  • View author's info posted on Jan 31, 2006 01:41


    I agree Harleys1angel...I was an EMT in Tucson many years ago..saw same thing.Most bike accidents aren't from mistake the biker makes it's the other folks.9 time out of 10 bikers die of internal injuries with or without a helmut..If I'm gonna die I want my brain scrambled too..If it's my time to go a helmut won't save me...I'll die doing what I love!
  • View author's info posted on Jan 23, 2006 07:19


    gsxrlady write:

    MrSbraz write:
    Guys,
    a question for you...

    I see in all of your photos that you don't wear the HELMET!!!

    I know that the law in some of your country don't obligate this accessory...but is for your safe!!!

    I always wear the helmet (in Italy you must wear it), back protector and leather everywhere I can!!!

    I fall down sometimes...and if I did't wear these accessories I'll been in a bed!

    I know the freedom, but my healt is important!!!



    I live in a state you are not required to wear a helmet. I do wear a helmet and a full suit, gloves, and boots. Me gear have saved my life, I did have six weeks of heal time. The alpinestars saved my right foot, the suit saved my skin, and the helmet saved by life, according to the ER Doctors.

    I do think people should have the right to choose what they want to wear when they ride. I choose to suit up.

    Your direct evidence is enough for me! Very good!
  • View author's info posted on Jan 23, 2006 05:07


    MrSbraz write:
    Guys,
    a question for you...

    I see in all of your photos that you don't wear the HELMET!!!

    I know that the law in some of your country don't obligate this accessory...but is for your safe!!!

    I always wear the helmet (in Italy you must wear it), back protector and leather everywhere I can!!!

    I fall down sometimes...and if I did't wear these accessories I'll been in a bed!

    I know the freedom, but my healt is important!!!


    I live in a state you are not required to wear a helmet. I do wear a helmet and a full suit, gloves, and boots. Me gear have saved my life, I did have six weeks of heal time. The alpinestars saved my right foot, the suit saved my skin, and the helmet saved by life, according to the ER Doctors.

    I do think people should have the right to choose what they want to wear when they ride. I choose to suit up.
  • View author's info posted on Jan 20, 2006 06:21


    Personally I think the helmet *laws* are ridiculous.We have that *law* in Michigan,wish they'd get heads their outta their rears.
    Wearing a helmet SHOULD be your personal choice!
    I don't wear one as much as possible.I'd much rather ride and enjoy the freedom of not having a hot,sweaty helmet on my head,then have something that catches the wind and whips my head all over the place.It's all a comfort zone I guess. If you want to wear one,fine if not you Should not have to!
    People die walking to mailboxes,walking their dogs,etc. are you going to put on a helmet just to go to your mailbox.
    Just part of my personal opinion.
  • View author's info posted on Jan 18, 2006 12:28


    I can see everybodies point about wearing or not wearing a helmut. There seem to be pros and cons in both directions. I personally wear one myself. A 3/4 helmut because it doesn't restrict your ability to breath. But, still offers a good bite of protection.

    Now on the legal issue of helmets. I have to wear one because I live in a state that legally mandates you to wear one. But, I also agree that we have way to many laws. I personally think it should be up to the individual. Hey, we are all adults here. H$ll, a person can't even ride a bicycle here with out an approved helmut. I never wore a helmut riding my bicycle.
  • View author's info posted on Jan 18, 2006 08:10


    falcon335 write:
    Helmets are good at saving your head from injury to about 35 mph.
    After 35 mph, head injuries increase as to neck injuries.
    When I wear a helmet, it's a full face helmet. I know that my chin isn't any stronger than my skull when it comes to hitting the pavement.

    Really?
    Have you ever went with your head on the paviment without helmet?

    Please guy...
    I re-make the question:
    WHY IN COMPETITION WEAR THE HELMET? I don't think they wanna broke them neck! Please, think about it!
  • View author's info posted on Jan 18, 2006 08:05


    Helmets are good at saving your head from injury to about 35 mph.
    After 35 mph, head injuries increase as to neck injuries.
    When I wear a helmet, it's a full face helmet. I know that my chin isn't any stronger than my skull when it comes to hitting the pavement.
  • View author's info posted on Jan 18, 2006 07:16


    Good Morning... I guess I am just one of the bozos on the bus... in Massachusetts..I wear a helmet...it's the law. In Rhode Island and Conn... no law... no helmet. I don't think that because it's the law that I live in a police state...I mean WTF? I live in freakin Massachusetts..is there a state more liberal? ...sheesh... and I don't feel it's the most important issue in my life.
    I also don't believe that wearin a helmet is dangerous...sorry that makes zero sense to me... maybe there is a study somewhere that say helmets and seatbelts are hazardous to your health but I'm not buyin it.
    maybe when I have more time I can be an activist.. until then I'll pick my passions...
  • View author's info posted on Jan 18, 2006 06:40


    KinMonmouth write:
    If you're gonna wear one..wear a real one. Mines DOT approved it cost about 180 bucks on sale. If I ever go down and slide across the pavement I'll be thankful knowing it's my helmet grinding..not my head.

    Great KIN!!!!! GREAT!!!
  • View author's info posted on Jan 17, 2006 19:09


    mick2003 write:
    HarleyGurl35 write:
    I ride with my helmet 90% of the time. Seeme, I'm just the opposite as you. If I'm on the back...it's on all the time. After being in control of my bike, it's hard to trust someone else. But the times are few and far between that I find myself on the back anymore. A trust issue, I think.

    Here is a follow up email from a guy on his wife. They were riding (her on back) and making a slight right curve in the road. They hit a spot of diesel gas in the road. They were going less than 20 mph.

    This happened about a week ago, and he sends follow ups every couple of days on her. They are in their early 40's.
    **********

    Friends,

    They had to do an emergency surgery to remove an disc in Donna's neck Sat.
    morning.(between 6-7) The disc was ruptured and putting pressure on the spinal cord. I was against the added trauma, but Dr. Lo the head surgeon said he didn't want to risk it, and talked me and the family into it.

    Donna's still not awake enough to know too much today. Still having bad headaches with the bruising of the brain. She did stand up and take a few steps today with the therapy people.

    I'm trying to taper off the Vicadine and Soma for my ribs and shoulder. Makes me too "lala" to drive, and take care of Donna. Taking them only first thing in the morning and just before bed.

    She is still to knocked out to have visitors, but ask every once and a while
    if anyone from the group has checked lately. And I tell her yes they're waiting to come see you. It makes her feel good that ya'll are caring for her.

    Enough rambling, gotta go back to the hospital shortly.

    Thanks Greg & Donna
    ***********

    I just got this from Greg this morning. Just wanted to pass it on. I know helmets don't always save lives, but it would have prevented most of all this. That's how Greg feels anyway. He was there, I wasn't.

    I would be interested in finding out how a helmet could have prevented most of this, since it appears, from the information, that her neck was the problem. A helmet would have added weight to the head, and increased the momentum of the head as against the neck (possibly, severing the spinal cord).
    Brain bruising could happen even with a helmet on, as the brain sort of floats around in the skull. When the skull makes a sudden stop (helmeted or not), the brain keeps going until it meets with something to stop it. (And of course, I am taking into consideration the impact absorbing qualities of helmets.)"
    Disclaimer: This post is a generalization and is not to be taken as expert medical advice/treatise. Refer to a qualified medical provider for the full explanation, OR go to college and take courses in general, inorganic and organic chemistry, physiology, anatomy, biology, physics, yada yada yada (just like the rest of us).

    Not a medical expert here by any means. All I know is he has said in other emails things wouldn't have been as bad for her if she had her helmet on.

    I do know when the ex hit a car and we flew one way and the bike did a cartwheel in the other direction, my helmet had a big gash on the crown of it that would have been my scalp otherwise. It looks better than my ol'noggin would have looked if it had bounced. We walked away with only a deep cut on his shin. The leathers did wonders. They now look like hell, but that's ok with me.

    I still have the helmet I keep as a reminder for myself. I'm not a diehard for helmets, just figure they do more good than bad. For me, anyway.
  • View author's info posted on Jan 17, 2006 03:17


    Wai wait wait...
    Ok..I understand your reasons but a I've a question for you: Why in the competition wear helmet?
    Probably because it is essential for them!!!

    The helmet when crasch, don't have to shatter!!!

    There are helmets and helmets! You have to buy a fiber-composite helmet to be sure, and it must to be omologated!!!
    They put before several tests to have the omologation! :-)
    My helmet? I payed it 300$!!!

    SEEME:
    For the full helmet one solution is to leave the visor a little bit open for first time...so you have a little light air that help you... lol
  • View author's info posted on Jan 16, 2006 20:22


    HarleyGurl35 write:
    I ride with my helmet 90% of the time. Seeme, I'm just the opposite as you. If I'm on the back...it's on all the time. After being in control of my bike, it's hard to trust someone else. But the times are few and far between that I find myself on the back anymore. A trust issue, I think.

    Here is a follow up email from a guy on his wife. They were riding (her on back) and making a slight right curve in the road. They hit a spot of diesel gas in the road. They were going less than 20 mph.

    This happened about a week ago, and he sends follow ups every couple of days on her. They are in their early 40's.
    **********

    Friends,

    They had to do an emergency surgery to remove an disc in Donna's neck Sat.
    morning.(between 6-7) The disc was ruptured and putting pressure on the spinal cord. I was against the added trauma, but Dr. Lo the head surgeon said he didn't want to risk it, and talked me and the family into it.

    Donna's still not awake enough to know too much today. Still having bad headaches with the bruising of the brain. She did stand up and take a few steps today with the therapy people.

    I'm trying to taper off the Vicadine and Soma for my ribs and shoulder. Makes me too "lala" to drive, and take care of Donna. Taking them only first thing in the morning and just before bed.

    She is still to knocked out to have visitors, but ask every once and a while
    if anyone from the group has checked lately. And I tell her yes they're waiting to come see you. It makes her feel good that ya'll are caring for her.

    Enough rambling, gotta go back to the hospital shortly.

    Thanks Greg & Donna
    ***********

    I just got this from Greg this morning. Just wanted to pass it on. I know helmets don't always save lives, but it would have prevented most of all this. That's how Greg feels anyway. He was there, I wasn't.


    i won't go on the back of a bike if i don't trust you---my ex road and i wouldn't get on his bike!!!!!! but would on others' bikes

    ohhhhhhhhhh Chris where are you????
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