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Posted on Wed, Feb 15, 2006 08:22

SpingerSoul,
I understand what you say...everyone is free, and of course, can do what he want's to do.
For me, no problem! lol
But for the Insurrance...mmm, a very bad thing if peolpe don't wear the helmet. Lost money...for them...
What can I say...if I don't wear the helmet, I feel lost!

  


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Posted on Tue, Feb 14, 2006 12:02

Sbraz,

Your laws in some way maybe more "free" than ours. I know touring in Ireland solo it was nice not to worry about doppler corrected moving radar guns and radar speed traps where no threat to public safety has to be proven only a measurement made. A friend of mine in Greece was suprised at how strict our traffic laws are.
Laws are profitable and generate alot of income while removing an individuals choice to decide for themselves what is right or wrong for them.
H1A makes a choice based on her beliefs and I think no law should infringe on that choice just because others have a fear of death.
HarleyChic makes an interesting point about jewelry being dangerous as well.
Should we outlaw jewelry while we mandate helmets? No
Life is a risk and one should be free to choose their own risk in pursuit of personal happiness.
"Their is no Freedom without the Freedom to Fail" Erich Fromm

I choose as I see fit to wear or not to wear a helmet and that choice, that freedom to me is life. Without choice I am already a dead slave at the mercy of those children afraid of life itself and perpetuating institutions that feed them.
Can you imagine what it would be like if the law mandated that you couldn't wear a full helmet or darkened visor so highway and intersection cameras could clearly identify you on your bike?

"give me liberty or give me death!"

Law is necessary to resolve conflicts not to constrict the free.

Government benefit from fines
Insurance benefits from profits
Medical benefit from good spare parts.

Individual choice brings a conflict to the scene when one is allowed to choose for one's own benefit and no benefit can be gained by punishment and no reward reaped by restrictions.

Peace
SSoul



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Posted on Sat, Feb 11, 2006 18:50

I would never ever ride without a helmet. Besides giving protection if your head hits the road, they protect the eyes and face from flying debris, like sand from dump trucks, big bugs, rocks thrown from tires.
I have wiped out due to gravel in a parking lot and my head hit the concrete, no problem because I was wearing my helmet.

Brad



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Posted on Sat, Feb 11, 2006 05:10

Heard recently that Virginia has passed the no helmet law--to be required only for under 21yrs. Don
t know when it goes into effect --will keep you posted!!



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Posted on Wed, Feb 08, 2006 05:23

saxon write:
mick2003 write:
Harleys1Angel write:
Good for you MrSbraz!! Some people are just like you here and some like to experience the "wind in their hair". It's a very free feeling. This is my personal take on the whole helmet thing, If it is law, then I will wear one. But if there is no law, I will not wear one. Why? Because I work on an ambulance. The people that I have seen that have worn a helmet usually are paralysed when in a bad motorcycle accident. The ones who don't wear a helmet are dead. I would rather be dead than paralysed. Because I am not afraid of dying - going to heaven you know! That's just my reason. I don't know about anyone else's reasons.


I agree with Hardly 1 Angel (heheheheh - c'mon, I'm just teasing!)

Besides, "laws" are opinions of overgrown school children who want everyone else to live their lives according to their dictates, instead of allowing everyone to live their lives the way they see fit (God-given self determination) as long as they don't intentionally hurt others. And those opinions, aka, "laws," change faster than some people change underwear.

Theoretically, adults can look at the situation and think through and accept the foreseeable consequences, and act accordingly (the whole concept of self-determination in a nutshell). Overgrown school children think they are the only ones who can think through the issue and usually see the worst-case-scenerio, thus, think they need to protect everybody else from themselves. I am surprised that laws haven't been passed yet requiring everyone to wear helmets, gloves, rubber inflatable suits, and never do anything. hahahaha

Mick

DISCLAIMER: The foregoing is an oversimplification and is not to be taken as an in-depth explanation of my full opinion.


Good points Mick ........... sadly the wearing of helmets is compulsory in the UK, although given the choice I'd still prefer to wear one, guess it's just what ya get used to.

By the way Mick ...... like the bike !


Saxon.. Nothin wrong with wearin a lid if thats what you choose... Just wish we could choose!!



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Posted on Tue, Feb 07, 2006 03:55

mick2003 write:
From something I read a while back: The ancient Greeks had a rule that whenever a legislator proposed a new law, they would make the legislator stand on a pedestal with a rope around his neck. The proposed law was read to the people. If the people liked the proposal, they would take the legislator down from the pedestal. If they did not like the proposal, they would kick the pedestal out from under him.

Needless to say, proposed laws were few and far between, and personally, I like the idea.


Sounds right to me!!! LOL



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Posted on Tue, Jan 31, 2006 19:07

NORTY write:
I wear a helmet-everytime. I wear a snell approved helmet-everytime. The DOT helmet is tested to 11 mph. (That is the speed of a falling object from 4 feet in height.)I'll never ride without a helmet again. Have I ridden before without? Yup. Would I do it again? Not by choice. Have I been on the asphalt? Yup. Is it harder than my skull? Yup. I keep my brain in my helmet. If 2 riders go down and 1 of them didn't wear a helmet and they're both competing for the last hospital bed available-which one should get the bed? Which one should get the best medical care? Kinda makes ya think,doesn't it...?

No not really!!! Your choice is yours and I would like to keep mine thanks!! Weather someone should get the medical attention over another because they wore a helmet is ludicrous. I do not understand that thinking whatsoever, that's like saying if a Doctor and a mechanic both got hurt then the doctor deserves the bed over the mechanic?? He is more valuable because he chose to be a doctor?? More valuable to who??? Society?? No... u can kick rocks with that analogy!! No offense but come on dude!!



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Posted on Tue, Jan 31, 2006 19:00

In Calif most all bikers wear lids which are not real helmets, we buy DOT stickers and put on the back of them so that the cops don't hassle us... They weigh much less and are more comfortable than real helmets and it feels good to defy our government for telling us (grown adults) what we HAVE to wear!!

Statistically there is very little proof that helmet laws have lowered motorcycle related deaths. The related deaths have remained about the same as before. It is just another way to control us and make money off of our hobbies. Helmet laws created government jobs. Same with motorcycle licenses. The lack of choice is what pizzez us off!! Helmets are Hot and heavy and very constrictive.

If they were really worried about our health it would be leathers that would be law, they save more injury than anything else that could be worn.

It is now a law in our town that my children are given tickets for not wearing bicycle helmets. Cops actually pull over 10 yr olds and give $50.00 tickets to children on thier way home from school. Pretty soon u will be required to wear a helmet on your F'ing BIGWHEEL!!

We as children survived without all of these laws, how we managed seems to have missed legislation.. the truth is its all about MONEY ... these laws are just making life miserable and expensive to do anything!

  


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Posted on Tue, Jan 31, 2006 13:23

Welcome Ready to the Nut House!!!!

I dont have to wear a helmet I choose to!
It is the only thing that will not Knot my hair. Wearing a hat or helmet in the winter is fine I don't mind -But in the summer a light helmet or French Braid ??!!** it just really dependzzzzzzzzzzz LOL



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Posted on Tue, Jan 31, 2006 06:05

welcome Ready to the forums



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Posted on Tue, Jan 31, 2006 01:41

I agree Harleys1angel...I was an EMT in Tucson many years ago..saw same thing.Most bike accidents aren't from mistake the biker makes it's the other folks.9 time out of 10 bikers die of internal injuries with or without a helmut..If I'm gonna die I want my brain scrambled too..If it's my time to go a helmut won't save me...I'll die doing what I love!



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Posted on Mon, Jan 23, 2006 07:19

gsxrlady write:

MrSbraz write:
Guys,
a question for you...

I see in all of your photos that you don't wear the HELMET!!!

I know that the law in some of your country don't obligate this accessory...but is for your safe!!!

I always wear the helmet (in Italy you must wear it), back protector and leather everywhere I can!!!

I fall down sometimes...and if I did't wear these accessories I'll been in a bed!

I know the freedom, but my healt is important!!!



I live in a state you are not required to wear a helmet. I do wear a helmet and a full suit, gloves, and boots. Me gear have saved my life, I did have six weeks of heal time. The alpinestars saved my right foot, the suit saved my skin, and the helmet saved by life, according to the ER Doctors.

I do think people should have the right to choose what they want to wear when they ride. I choose to suit up.

Your direct evidence is enough for me! Very good!



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Posted on Mon, Jan 23, 2006 05:07

MrSbraz write:
Guys,
a question for you...

I see in all of your photos that you don't wear the HELMET!!!

I know that the law in some of your country don't obligate this accessory...but is for your safe!!!

I always wear the helmet (in Italy you must wear it), back protector and leather everywhere I can!!!

I fall down sometimes...and if I did't wear these accessories I'll been in a bed!

I know the freedom, but my healt is important!!!


I live in a state you are not required to wear a helmet. I do wear a helmet and a full suit, gloves, and boots. Me gear have saved my life, I did have six weeks of heal time. The alpinestars saved my right foot, the suit saved my skin, and the helmet saved by life, according to the ER Doctors.

I do think people should have the right to choose what they want to wear when they ride. I choose to suit up.



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Posted on Fri, Jan 20, 2006 06:21

Personally I think the helmet *laws* are ridiculous.We have that *law* in Michigan,wish they'd get heads their outta their rears.
Wearing a helmet SHOULD be your personal choice!
I don't wear one as much as possible.I'd much rather ride and enjoy the freedom of not having a hot,sweaty helmet on my head,then have something that catches the wind and whips my head all over the place.It's all a comfort zone I guess. If you want to wear one,fine if not you Should not have to!
People die walking to mailboxes,walking their dogs,etc. are you going to put on a helmet just to go to your mailbox.
Just part of my personal opinion.

  


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Posted on Wed, Jan 18, 2006 12:28

I can see everybodies point about wearing or not wearing a helmut. There seem to be pros and cons in both directions. I personally wear one myself. A 3/4 helmut because it doesn't restrict your ability to breath. But, still offers a good bite of protection.

Now on the legal issue of helmets. I have to wear one because I live in a state that legally mandates you to wear one. But, I also agree that we have way to many laws. I personally think it should be up to the individual. Hey, we are all adults here. H$ll, a person can't even ride a bicycle here with out an approved helmut. I never wore a helmut riding my bicycle.



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Posted on Wed, Jan 18, 2006 08:10

falcon335 write:
Helmets are good at saving your head from injury to about 35 mph.
After 35 mph, head injuries increase as to neck injuries.
When I wear a helmet, it's a full face helmet. I know that my chin isn't any stronger than my skull when it comes to hitting the pavement.

Really?
Have you ever went with your head on the paviment without helmet?

Please guy...
I re-make the question:
WHY IN COMPETITION WEAR THE HELMET? I don't think they wanna broke them neck! Please, think about it!



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Posted on Wed, Jan 18, 2006 08:05

Helmets are good at saving your head from injury to about 35 mph.
After 35 mph, head injuries increase as to neck injuries.
When I wear a helmet, it's a full face helmet. I know that my chin isn't any stronger than my skull when it comes to hitting the pavement.



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Posted on Wed, Jan 18, 2006 07:16

Good Morning... I guess I am just one of the bozos on the bus... in Massachusetts..I wear a helmet...it's the law. In Rhode Island and Conn... no law... no helmet. I don't think that because it's the law that I live in a police state...I mean WTF? I live in freakin Massachusetts..is there a state more liberal? ...sheesh... and I don't feel it's the most important issue in my life.
I also don't believe that wearin a helmet is dangerous...sorry that makes zero sense to me... maybe there is a study somewhere that say helmets and seatbelts are hazardous to your health but I'm not buyin it.
maybe when I have more time I can be an activist.. until then I'll pick my passions...



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Posted on Wed, Jan 18, 2006 06:40

KinMonmouth write:
If you're gonna wear one..wear a real one. Mines DOT approved it cost about 180 bucks on sale. If I ever go down and slide across the pavement I'll be thankful knowing it's my helmet grinding..not my head.

Great KIN!!!!! GREAT!!!



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Posted on Wed, Jan 18, 2006 06:31

If you're gonna wear one..wear a real one. Mines DOT approved it cost about 180 bucks on sale. If I ever go down and slide across the pavement I'll be thankful knowing it's my helmet grinding..not my head.