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Posted on Thu, Oct 06, 2005 18:19

I have to admit, I didn't read every post in the thread.
I hate to say it, but I find myself being so careful regardless (and yes, ladies pull the same sh*t). I've been online for years, but last year decided to do more then just "lurk".
I actually take notes to see if someone's lying (that sometimes takes the fun out of it).
What I really find amazing is you give someone (you're interesting in and they claim the same towards you) several opions, any are OK with them. BUT, as you start narrowing in and down to something definite "Oh gee I can't, it's a bad time, maybe the next day." Funny though, when I suggested that "next day" a couple of days later, that was bad too. I just went through that and finally marked her as "Player".

FLAME SUIT ON
It seems to me that there is a basic Venus/Mars problem here;
The gals love the chase, the men like the catch. There's an inherant problem with our species.

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Posted on Thu, Oct 06, 2005 11:55


aBraveOldeSoul write:

jl write:
Another lier to look out for is the user Arkfan. I have on my profile that I am a ONE MAN WOMAN looking for a ONE WOMAN MAN. Clear enough right??? Arkfan is into swapping mates, swinger life. Of course he doesn't reveal this until after a month into our chatting. During our chats I made it clear that I am a ONE MAN WOMAN. I feel so betrayed.



WOW Lady... that takes the cake. Strikes me as the pot calling the kettle black. You say this guys a liar... did he tell you he wasn't a swinger? Did you ever ask? Why is he a liar for being a swinger just because it wasn't known to you at some predetermined point in time? I don't understand how the hell YOU feel betrayed... just cause you at some point decided that he wasn't the perfect mate. So... move on... live and let live. It seems to me that if anyone should feel betrayed... it would be HIM. You obviously have no respect for his privacy by naming names and pointing out to the world what he does in his private life. Shame on you! I'm not defending that he's a swinger necessarily...only that he has a right to live his life as he chooses without being judged... same as we all do.

Well said! And I'm sure he's thrilled that he told this woman, as he got to know her and felt comfortable doing so, only for her to post it onthe net. very classy woman.

  


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Posted on Thu, Oct 06, 2005 10:50


aBraveOldeSoul write:

NaturalGirl write:
Liars. Sad when someone has to resort to that and for what reason. Watch out for (ehco1). He is dating someone I know for 6 years and obviously has a problem too because she is with him. He had joined the site in Nov. 2004 for laughs. Laughs on who? My girlfriend or the gullible women out there who take the side of a man over a "sister". HE is moody and depressed always. He allows his kids to boss him around.He has more bills than he knows what to do with after he went chapter seven. Supports 3 grown sons who don't work. Lives in his fathers home for 7 years and Never cleaned it. Spends most of his money on verizon. Enjoys golden showers on him and sipping them. Loves being slapped, spanked and humiliated. A real bdsm freak. And "HE IS A USER" Don't lend him money, you will NEVER get it back.



WOW... Same to you lady. Seems to me this post is a flagrant violation of the terms of service here and should be removed. How loathsome that a woman 51 years old would stoop so low as to make a post like that. It only tells me to stay away from YOU.



Brave,take my word. There may be terms of service here. But we have all learned they don't mean squat here.



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Posted on Thu, Oct 06, 2005 10:47

Um...was it the golden shower statement that set you guys off?

  


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Posted on Thu, Oct 06, 2005 10:43

Agreed, DD, but we all know posts without pics have 'something' to hide, whether for good or bad reasons. Ignorance of the instigator is our prescription.

  


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Posted on Thu, Oct 06, 2005 10:20

ABrave OldeSoul-
I agree- I haven't said anything so far to Natural girl's post-but find it reprehensible to post stuff lke that in open forum. That kind of information is extremely inflammatory-and should be worked out in private. I avoided posting anything in reply, because I did not want to start a flame war-so I was ignoring that post. No pic, and horrible things said.

ixnay to posts like that...

  


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Posted on Thu, Oct 06, 2005 05:28

Hi people
For some strange reason the title of this topic caught my eye ;)
Blimey .. people telling lies on the internet, what ever next (men on the moon ? .... naaa)people who lie (yeah ok, excluding those doing it up front for grin factor)
are pathetic non entities who paint a front which they then display; if you are gullible enough to take things at face value you?re gonna have a hard time of it throughout your life. Don?t get me wrong go for everything you want to in life ... just do it with your eyes open. When someone gives you a gift horse; jam its bloody mouth open & test it's fillings.
By the way I?m a multimillionaire bike shop owner, live above a chocolate factory & I?m looking for an ugly woman with no personality to make the rest of my life truly hellish ... if you find this hard to believe send $100 and a sae to:
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Posted on Wed, Oct 05, 2005 06:48


NaturalGirl write:
Liars. Sad when someone has to resort to that and for what reason. Watch out for (ehco1). He is dating someone I know for 6 years and obviously has a problem too because she is with him. He had joined the site in Nov. 2004 for laughs. Laughs on who? My girlfriend or the gullible women out there who take the side of a man over a "sister". HE is moody and depressed always. He allows his kids to boss him around.He has more bills than he knows what to do with after he went chapter seven. Supports 3 grown sons who don't work. Lives in his fathers home for 7 years and Never cleaned it. Spends most of his money on verizon. Enjoys golden showers on him and sipping them. Loves being slapped, spanked and humiliated. A real bdsm freak. And "HE IS A USER" Don't lend him money, you will NEVER get it back.



WOW... Same to you lady. Seems to me this post is a flagrant violation of the terms of service here and should be removed. How loathsome that a woman 51 years old would stoop so low as to make a post like that. It only tells me to stay away from YOU.



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Posted on Wed, Oct 05, 2005 06:14


jl write:
Another lier to look out for is the user Arkfan. I have on my profile that I am a ONE MAN WOMAN looking for a ONE WOMAN MAN. Clear enough right??? Arkfan is into swapping mates, swinger life. Of course he doesn't reveal this until after a month into our chatting. During our chats I made it clear that I am a ONE MAN WOMAN. I feel so betrayed.



WOW Lady... that takes the cake. Strikes me as the pot calling the kettle black. You say this guys a liar... did he tell you he wasn't a swinger? Did you ever ask? Why is he a liar for being a swinger just because it wasn't known to you at some predetermined point in time? I don't understand how the hell YOU feel betrayed... just cause you at some point decided that he wasn't the perfect mate. So... move on... live and let live. It seems to me that if anyone should feel betrayed... it would be HIM. You obviously have no respect for his privacy by naming names and pointing out to the world what he does in his private life. Shame on you! I'm not defending that he's a swinger necessarily...only that he has a right to live his life as he chooses without being judged... same as we all do.



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Posted on Sat, Sep 24, 2005 21:12


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DoubleDelight write:
Danag05 said: "SUSANNE.....GALS....WHY ARE WE HIDING THESE NAMES?"

Danag05,

The Bk rules state: We cannot name real names in open forum. I started a thread called 'Predators Exposed.' I had already learned that some women email and talk behind the bk scenes Re: the guys that lie and use, and really hurt women. It is also true that there are a few women out there who hurt others. It goes both ways. I wanted to make a safe place for women to communicate so the guys who do it, couldn't get away with it anymore.

One man replied on the thread and made a very good point: How is it possible to have a list like that without good men being added to the list by mistake? I'd already been thinking the same thing for a day or so when I saw his post. Well, it's not! So, I dumped the whole idea. Good idea, great intentions; just no way to make it work in real life.

Best to you!
DD


DD..... I agree! A woman or man who is a good person will end up being trashed or crucified because of anothers anger!...We see it here and it is not fair....I'm glad you decided against it!
......Mo

I also agree. Mo. Anger and jealousy are the green eyed monster. It is too easy to say something out of anger and once said the damage can not be undone. DD, your idea might have been a good one, but too hard to control who would be added. I am glad you nixed the idea. There are better ways to get the word out.

  


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Posted on Fri, Sep 23, 2005 15:08


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Danag05 said: "SUSANNE.....GALS....WHY ARE WE HIDING THESE NAMES?"

Danag05,

The Bk rules state: We cannot name real names in open forum. I started a thread called 'Predators Exposed.' I had already learned that some women email and talk behind the bk scenes Re: the guys that lie and use, and really hurt women. It is also true that there are a few women out there who hurt others. It goes both ways. I wanted to make a safe place for women to communicate so the guys who do it, couldn't get away with it anymore.

One man replied on the thread and made a very good point: How is it possible to have a list like that without good men being added to the list by mistake? I'd already been thinking the same thing for a day or so when I saw his post. Well, it's not! So, I dumped the whole idea. Good idea, great intentions; just no way to make it work in real life.

Best to you!
DD


DD..... I agree! A woman or man who is a good person will end up being trashed or crucified because of anothers anger!...We see it here and it is not fair....I'm glad you decided against it!
......Mo



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Posted on Fri, Sep 23, 2005 10:41

Danag05 said: "SUSANNE.....GALS....WHY ARE WE HIDING THESE NAMES?"

Danag05,

The Bk rules state: We cannot name real names in open forum. I started a thread called 'Predators Exposed.' I had already learned that some women email and talk behind the bk scenes Re: the guys that lie and use, and really hurt women. It is also true that there are a few women out there who hurt others. It goes both ways. I wanted to make a safe place for women to communicate so the guys who do it, couldn't get away with it anymore.

One man replied on the thread and made a very good point: How is it possible to have a list like that without good men being added to the list by mistake? I'd already been thinking the same thing for a day or so when I saw his post. Well, it's not! So, I dumped the whole idea. Good idea, great intentions; just no way to make it work in real life.

Best to you!
DD

  


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Posted on Fri, Sep 23, 2005 07:41


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Wow Goddess....

I so totally agree with you and with what everyone else who shared their horror stories. Although I read the forum regularly, I rarely post anything. "I like to watch" lmao - oooh WHO said that ...

But this particular thread really got to me. I truly believe that a womans's gut, and our "women's intuition" tells us the truth - ALWAYS!!!

If I feel the ol red flag poppin up, intellectually I know to go with my gut and stay the fluck away from the moron. But..... my problem is is that I am a hopeless romantic, and I give the benefit of the doubt, (because I'm such a sweetheart lmao), to men who have no clue about honesty. BUT, their profiles ALWAYS says "honesty is the code I live by, and I have no baggage".

PLUS they always say that they're "old school" lol. What a crock. They must mean that they went to school in a little red school house on the prairie built in 1850 lol. They have no clue. Sad isn't it....

So.....this brings me to the reason for this very rare post from me, (gotta watch my gf's backs and hip them to "danger lurking" lol), and although I only speak to a few of the women on this site, I love and respect all of the you - because you are all such righteous, stand up women with character and integrity...and you are so wise - and y'all crack me up too lol - (which is the best part).

Ready? Ok here goes... I "dated" a guy from this site for a while a couple of months back, and he said everything I wanted to hear. We talked, and had so much in common. We met for a "first date" - (I usually HATE first dates - to me -- and Carrie from S.ex and the City hahaha,-- they're like job interviews with cocktails), but this one was nice - or so I thought. Then I caught him in his first lie. So I booked.... But he called and asked for my forgiveness and of course I caved. BIG mistake. So... he did it again. And again, I gave him another chance because he had such "potential" lol. Gf's -you KNOW what I mean by that lol.

So.... he's now history - thank GD!!!! But...he recently made his profile active again, and guess what. He came back 6 years younger lmao. He's STILL lying. So so sad....

Anyway, I would never front someone off
in public - just not my style - so I won't name names here - but I did warn one of my gf's on here who lives in his town about him, and luckily she hadn't heard from him.

So..... if you're corresponding with someone who lives in one of the 5 boroughs of NYC, and you wanna know the lowdown, please respond to me here, and I can email ya on BK and we can talk.

And becasue I truly believe that nothin happpens in Gd's world by mistake, I look at this whole experience as a blessing. Because....

I truly believe that Gd doesn't close one door without opening another. And after kissin so many frogs that Compound W doesn't even work on my warts anymore - ewwwww lmao - , I have finally found my prince....and he has found me. And just guess where we found each other too lol... Seems as if love is in the air on BK. Wow. And he's the most incredibly honest man I have ever met, that I trust him with my life. No red flags, no doubts in my gut - just trust, love, laughter, and...and...and... We're takin it a day at a time,and it just keeps gettin better & better every day. And we know that it's the real thing - we're both like little kids experiencing all those "butterflies in the stomach" feelings. What a trip... And believe me guys - if it happened to me, it can happen to you.

Whew....I sure made up for bein quiet all these months . Thanks for listening.

Oh - can't wait to meet all the Noo Yawk women in the city on the 23rd.

~~~Susanne

SUSANNE.....GALS....WHY ARE WE HIDING THESE NAMES? YOU'RE NOT FRONTING ANYONE, THESE PEOPLE AREN'T PLAYING BY THE RULES, AND YOU COULD SAVE SOME HEAD/HEARTACHES FOR OTHERS....I'D RATHER A GUY TELL ME HE'S MARRIED UPFRONT...AND LET ME DECIDE MY CHOICE....THIS IS ABOUT BEING ABLE TO HAVE SOME CONTROL OVER YOUR HEART...AND DIGNITY



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Posted on Fri, Sep 23, 2005 07:36


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LadySundial: Liars: What a great thread idea!
I learned the ropes pretty quickly here on Bk. This guy lied about a lot of things. Said he would fly me to meet him and take me to a great concert and big bike meet. Then said he didn't have the money. Said he would pay me back for 1/2 of the air-fare after I got together with him. I could stay with a female friend of his, so I could feel 'safe'. Then, a few days later, said that we would have to stay in the same bed at her house. Then, a few days later, said it became inconvenient to have her pick me up at the airport, so I could take the bus and meet him--and stay at his 'house', in his bed. Then he said he would be a gentleman, then he changed that to: well, we'll see what happens. Something was smelling not very funny.
Do you hear a changing tune here? Ever heard this particular melody?
So, I said "No thanks!"
He probably would have paid me back for 1/2 of the flight cost and taken me to the concert and the meet. We would probably have laughed and had a good time on the bike and with other biker friends. Got to give him that.
I emailed him afterwards asking for him to be a man and at least acknowledge that he really tried to 'work me' so he could get me in his BED. He didn't bother to answer me on that topic, but became so rude on a bike topic that I blocked him from my alo IM.
I sent one more email asking nicely for the same acknowledgement....and he didn't bother to answer that one at all.
Then he made a joke on a reply to a very, very, vulnerable post of mine, offering no compassion.
Oh, he also said early on in one of our first chats that he could relocate to where I live and wondered if he could live in my house. I am NOT the only woman he has worked in the same way.
Another woman I know personally was asked if he could live in her house, and invited to meet him for the first time and stay in his 'house' for the visit. She met him and decided not to stay. He tore her a new one on the fone. There is a lot more to these stories I could say-but won't. To protect the innocent and to maintain anonymity.
He is probably a straight-up good guy for his friends, and honest in other ways. He sure gave me a quick education! Now, I know what ~lines~ to beware of. I am grateful to him for opening my eyes to the games men can play.
One person's friend is another woman's sad tale. PredatorsRnot4me.


DD

DD....WHAT'S HIS NAME!!!???? WARN US



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Posted on Fri, Sep 23, 2005 07:29


Roxie0215 write:
Thanks for the insight, we do have to use our heads and not just our hearts.
I think there should be a place where we all could list those that are married, perverted, psycho, etc....so to keep amother woman(or man) for falling into thier head games.
Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to decieve

RIGHT ON ROXIE...I SUGGESTED THAT ON ANOTHER POSTING.....A TOPIC STRICTLY DEVOTED TO OUTING THE LIARS (NOW THERE ARE SOME MEMBERS, WHO STATE UP FRONT THEY ARE MARRIED) BUT LIARS, PSYCHOS, STALKERS ETC....BOTH MALE & FEMALE



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Posted on Fri, Sep 23, 2005 02:20


NORTY write:
Uh-oh! I thought this thread was about "lier's", not "liar's."

Amazing how it's naturally assumed that only men lie.


Norty....LOL



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Posted on Wed, Sep 21, 2005 09:10


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pawitchywoman write:

NORTY write:
Amazing how it's naturally assumed that only men lie.



I did not mean to exclude women liars, except that none ever ask me out. . . so I don't share your perspective or experiences.

Well pawitchywoman, maybe it's time you "diversify your portfolio!"



I suppose if I find the right situation I will. Just for fun, of course.

  


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Posted on Mon, Sep 19, 2005 10:30

MtnmanWA Just wanted to say what a wonderful insight and statement. Wish more people could just look within.



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Posted on Sun, Sep 18, 2005 19:12


wildblutruck write:
30 years ago the the people you rode with were your family, they are the ones that were real and stood up for each other. There have been a lot of wannabes that take their ideas of what a "BIKER" is and what the " BIKER LIFESTYLE" is and try to infiltrate it. In the 34 years that I have been riding there are 3 things that stand out with those I call friends-----Honesty, loyalty, true love of the wind and those who understand and share it. We should put up a BEWARE FORUM for the LADIES and the BK police should also be aware--

And you MUST be joking!!! Perhaps this is a subject for me to just watch. I have allowed myself (see no blame of Women) to be taken to the cleaners MANY TIMES. Its not so much the honesty levels of others but the level of DESPERATATION we all can feel when we think we are alone, not good enough, etc etc. An old saying,,, "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on ME." Lets try to stop the OTHER GUY/GAL did it, and learn how to be happy within self, and I bet you will not find yourself gettn used n abuse, unless of course thats your 'thing' lololololol Perhaps TWISTED, yet on the ball.
Peace
MtnMan (BK police for the chicks LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL)

  


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Posted on Sun, Sep 18, 2005 10:25


NORTY write:
Amazing how it's naturally assumed that only men lie.



I did not mean to exclude women liars, except that none ever ask me out. . . so I don't share your perspective or experiences.

  


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