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Posted on Mon, Mar 28, 2005 14:31

A.B.A.T.E. does any of you belong?
They are fighting for your right to ride unimpeded by Laws that are designed to take away your desire to ride.
Second question, What is your opinion of Helmet laws?
Interested in joining the fight?



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Posted on Sun, Nov 13, 2005 18:09

ABATE is more than just Lid laws. Its about all Bikers rights and lack of them. Some one has to keep an eye on law maker. ABATE OF MI

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Posted on Wed, Nov 02, 2005 06:30

Understand that a driving license is a privilege. You abide by the conditions as stated. If you have to wear a helmet that is it. I don't care if people wear a helmet or not. It is your choice. But, when your brains are scattered I won't feel badly for you. I call it stupidity. Tell Indian Larry.



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Posted on Wed, Nov 02, 2005 05:32

Hey Suspended.
I've been involved with ABATE. I'm with you. Helmut is my choice. I wear one. But then again I'm blonde and can't afford to lose any brain cells. LOL. Abate was important in getting the P.A. helmut law repealed a couple of years ago. I'd support them.
And Eye... good to see ya!
Peace



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Posted on Wed, Nov 02, 2005 04:00

I was our local ABATE Secretary for three years here in Indian River County, haven't been a member in a couple of years, long story as to why I stopped being a member, not relative at this point. It really a good organization. They have trying to reverse the helmet law here in the State of Florida ever since it was passed, they had that ready as soon as the ink was on the bill



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Posted on Tue, Nov 01, 2005 12:11

Absolutely interested in joining abate-Just quit my job with A.I.M and want to stay in touch with the legislative biker issues. Attend your local COC meetings? Read your NCOM newsletters?
Tell me more about A.B.A.T.E.-I know what the acronym DID stand for when they concentrated on biker education-now what??
Absolutely interested in joining abate-Just quit my job with A.I.M and want to stay in touch with the legislative biker issues. Attend your local COC meetings? Read your NCOM newsletters?
Tell me more about A.B.A.T.E.-I know what the acronym DID stand for when they concentrated on biker education-now what??



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Posted on Wed, Mar 30, 2005 21:29

I agree. Stupid stuff happens when we don't pay attention...get with it folks and join up...this is the rumble of our biker voices here...the more, the LOUDER!!! LOUD SAVES RIGHTS



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Posted on Wed, Mar 30, 2005 20:52

Quite some time ago, in Florida a state rep tried to introduce a bill requiring Motorcycles to come equipted with seat belts.
HaHa!
This would be funny if it wasn't for the fact that there was much interest on the floor, and a vote was taken.
Thanks to abate, this law was voted down or we would all be strapped to 600 pound missiles.
Think about it?
Get serious folks and join up.



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Posted on Wed, Mar 30, 2005 20:12

I wear a lid all the time probably due to being an MSF instructor for years. I do not feel comfortable with out one. I am a member of NH motorcycle rights org. I belive it is up to the persons choice.



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Posted on Wed, Mar 30, 2005 17:47

Hey you all... active ABATE member here. It's an important, fun and imformative group and "YES", we do take a serious stance in legislation regarding our rights on the road. Please join. Doesn't matter what you ride as long as you ride. As for helmet laws, I believe it is up to the individual also. I love the wind in my hair, yet here in Oregon...gotta have the helmet so it gives me an opportunity to wander around the states just to get that fix!

  


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Posted on Wed, Mar 30, 2005 15:50

All I can say to my brother Eye is ditto. If I could get NC and Ga to join my state of SC I would never have to leave our little corner of the world. 3.5 hrs to Myrtle Beach and bike week is a coming, leave the helmet at home and bring on the wind.



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Posted on Wed, Mar 30, 2005 15:38

Truncated reply...
To answer SLB's question: I'm not for helmet laws and I firmly believe that the choice should be left up to the individual. On the other hand I have never felt that wearing a skull bucket in any way diminished my desire to ride, or the feeling of freedom when I do. But until some government official can point out some unalterable facts such as increased insurance costs or some other way that helmet laws effect the majority, I'll continue to believe that it should be the individual's choice, and not the choice of a legislator.



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Posted on Wed, Mar 30, 2005 13:44

Interesting question. I prefer to make my own choice. Sometimes I like to ride topless. Sometimes I wear a skid plate sometimes a hat backwards. And yes, sometimes a full face. Just let me make that decision I don't need yet another regulation.



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Posted on Wed, Mar 30, 2005 10:36

The Bill of Rights, as ratified in 1791, consists of 10 amendments to the Constitution. The 12 articles, as proposed in 1789, were not adopted as written. Thus the tenth amendment reads:

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Basicaly what this means as far as helmet laws is that the Federal government has said "We don't give a fig about helmet laws and have no power to enact any such stuff. It's up to the individual states, so y'all decide." The individual states then, rather then letting the individual citizens vote on the issue, used their elected state officials to create legislation based on what these same officials thought would represent the wishes of the majority. (Or what they thought would be politicaly expedient or generate the most revenue or whatever...)So, to answer your question:

"Is the Constitution of the Land just a pretty document under a case or a living document of the people?"

I'd say this shows pretty clearly that it is a living, working document of the people, and works AS IT WAS INTENDED TO DO. I've heard people say that helmet laws are "unconstitutional" and to that I can only say "Go read the darn thing and you'll see that helmet laws are completely constitutional." The 10th amendment has absolutely nothing to do with our right to ride free, but it does clearly show that we have the power and the authority to challenge those laws which we do not agree with, and in the case of helmet laws this must be done on the state level. Hey, y'all voted carefully in the last election for your state representatives, right? You considered the issues and found out where each candidate stood on those issues, and you voted according to which candidate you felt would best represent YOU, didn't you? Uh-huh....sure you did.

To answer SLB's question: I'm not for helmet ...



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Posted on Tue, Mar 29, 2005 17:31

12th article of the Bill of Rights
Any powers herein not given to the federal government or the states are given to the people.

Isn't it interesting that for thousands of years people rode horses without license plates and without helmets?
These laws are an effort in control but more importantly income generation.
States fought the Federal government for states rights in the 1800 and lost now it looks like individual rights continue to disappear. Is the Constitution of the Land just a pretty document under a case or a living document of the people?
If the people continue to react in fear from a rattling stick they will continue to run into the net.
"If you expect to be ignorant and free, you expect something that never was and never will be." Thomas Jefferson



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Posted on Tue, Mar 29, 2005 17:27

I like Florida laws on helmets and I agree with them. Yes I would like to help that group.



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Posted on Tue, Mar 29, 2005 07:41

suspended....i agree with what you said and as for the helmet laws, i feel it should be up to the individual to wear one or not...i have done both-i loved the freedom of riding without one, but not to put a damper on anything, i am a nures and have taken care of people who didn't wear one...so to be honest, i have no answer except it is the individuals right to wear one or not....it is their life....



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