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Posted on Wed, Mar 01, 2006 07:59

I guess I hit a nerve with some of you whom my points are applicable or otherwise you wouldn?t come back with insults but no reasonable rebuttals. I do admit there are exceptions to Harley riders but they are far and few between. The Harley population, like any population, resembles a normal curve and there are always exceptions beyond the three-sigma points to the left and to the right. But within the 6-sigma points around the median, most of the Harley riders fall in the category I described in my previous message.

Yes it is a free country, one can choose to be educated and sophisticated or one can choose to be a low life. The problem is in a highly competitive global society, the blue-collar jobs are soon going to be a thing of the past in this country and most of them will be outsourced to Asia and you folks will be jobless and be a burden to the society.



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Posted on Wed, Mar 01, 2006 05:29

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First I would like to comend my brothers and sisters here for being so kind in the way they have replied to your assinine comments. Second I would like to say, like Q and Kin I to look good in a skirt and heels but thats another thread. But, just so you understand, in all the kind replies to your post it all boils down to the same thing, Take your elitist attitude and your beemer and shove them straight up your prissy little a$$. Oh, and one other thing, please stop looking at my profile, your type really creep me out.


ok you're not borrowing my skirts.. you might look better than me..LOL


I do have a great par of legs............hehehe



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Posted on Tue, Feb 28, 2006 17:59

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We bikers still have an image problem with the society at large. When people hear the word biker, they immediately think of blue collar, low class, bad hygiene, tatoo, long hair, beard, gang, fights..... all that stuff epitomized by most of the Harley riders. I must say I am ashamed of the image.... I am a professional and I love motorcycles but I hate to be viewed as a stereotype. I will never in my life buy a Harley, my current bike, a Beamer. At least people look at me differently.


I bet they look at u like you're an azzhole...



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Posted on Tue, Feb 28, 2006 13:14

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First I would like to comend my brothers and sisters here for being so kind in the way they have replied to your assinine comments. Second I would like to say, like Q and Kin I to look good in a skirt and heels but thats another thread. But, just so you understand, in all the kind replies to your post it all boils down to the same thing, Take your elitist attitude and your beemer and shove them straight up your prissy little a$$. Oh, and one other thing, please stop looking at my profile, your type really creep me out.


ok you're not borrowing my skirts.. you might look better than me..LOL



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Posted on Tue, Feb 28, 2006 10:40

First I would like to comend my brothers and sisters here for being so kind in the way they have replied to your assinine comments. Second I would like to say, like Q and Kin I to look good in a skirt and heels but thats another thread. But, just so you understand, in all the kind replies to your post it all boils down to the same thing, Take your elitist attitude and your beemer and shove them straight up your prissy little a$$. Oh, and one other thing, please stop looking at my profile, your type really creep me out.



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Posted on Tue, Feb 28, 2006 05:19

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Your not a native Virginian are you? I bet your from Martha's Vineyard.

martha's vinyard??? what kind of cheap shot is that??? his profile says virginia.... let's keep him in the land of lovers where he belongs



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Posted on Mon, Feb 27, 2006 23:13

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The problem with Harley-Davidson motorcycles
(idea) by Starrynight (1.3 wk) (print) ? 3 C!s Thu May 11 2000 at 16:44:31


I am a motorcyclist. I ride a Ducati 900SS (used to ride a Honda Hawk -- both are v-twins, just like a Harley), and it's my primary mode of transportation. Raining? Too bad, guess I'll just get wet.
In any case, as much as I don't like it, there's a often a difference between Harley riders and other motorcyclists. There are two main problems with the motorcycles that Harley-Davidson produces that contribute to this.

The Performance Problem:
All current Harley motors are V-twins. There's nothing wrong with this; all Ducati motors are v-twins also, and that hasn't stopped them from winning superbike title after superbike title on their red rockets. Honda's new RC51 is a v-twin Ducati-killer. It's clear that v-twins are capable of high performance.

Yet Harley produces huge (1200cc; that's really big) v-twins that make, I dunno, maybe 65 horsepower. No, probably less than that, more like 40 or 50. You'd have to go out of your way to have that kind of pathetic power/displacement ratio. Which is exactly what Harley does. Their motors are very undersquare, which is to say that for a given displacement, the stroke (the length the piston travels; the height of this imaginary cylinder) is longer than the bore (the diameter of the piston; double the radius of the cylinder). So the piston travels a much longer physical distance than its oversquare counterparts. Not to mention the fact that it's a pushrod engine.

This is bad. It means that Harley motors can't rev very high; it wouldn't be comfortable to rev one of those big v-twins past 4000 RPM or so (because of the vibration -- Harley engines, with that narrow cylinder angle, vibrate horribly), and it wouldn't be safe to go much past 6000, because the pistons are at that point travelling way too many feet per second.

Harley motors use 20-year-old engine technology, and their only excuse is "tradition".

The Price Problem:
Head into a Harley-Davidson dealer sometime and look at the prices. $10,000, $15,000, $18,000. . . let's make something very clear, any motorcycle that costs more than 10 grand better be delivering some serious performance. There is no excuse for these kind of prices.

A Harley-Davidson is a very expensive fashion statement. What you think it says is: "I'm a free spirit who comes and goes with the wind" when in fact the statement is closer to "I paid $15,000 for 50 horsepower and 700 pounds of chrome". Not all motorcyclists agree with me here, but buying a Harley is stupid. The actual motorcycle does not justify the exorbitant price Harley charges for admission to their Rich Urban Biker club.

Ah, wait a minute, you say -- isn't it that you just don't like cruisers, with their chrome and their leather and their goofy fringes? Hardly. There is a cruiser bike on the market today that I would love to own - the Honda Valkyrie. It's big and heavy, but it has an excuse - a tricked out, flat-six motor that is visually striking (looks like an airplane motor or something) and has the the performance to back it up. That's a cruiser I'd like to own.

But a Harley? 20 grand for 20-year-old (or worse) technology? I don't think so.

To be fair, this may be starting to change. Harley just started selling their new V-Rod, which is sort of a cruiser for the future. It features smoothed-over styling and better suspension compontents, as well as a 60-degree liquid-cooled v-twin mill (smoother and better-balanced than Harley's old 45-degree motor) co-designed by Porche. If the reviews are any indication, this bike has muscle to back up its attitude. I think it retails for something like $18,500, which is a lot of money. You can get a Japanese cruiser with as much power for $5000 less. Gotta have the American Spirit? Get a Polaris.

I applaud Harley's concession that their ancient "Evolution" engine design is getting old, but the price they're asking a rider to pay for a bike that looks good and performs well is still inexcusably high.



Uh,I'm still stuck on the non-bathing and gang fighting issue. Where in all this vast knowledge are the stats on the ratio between Harley riders and others on the subject of bathing and fighting?

I know,I know,my worries seem so mundane. But I need to know if I need to register myself as a violent offender anytime soon.

You mean you haven't done that yet????
What's wrong with you ???????

GEEZ!!! If you're not regestered with the "Dirty biker registry" you may dupe some poor unsuspecting citizen to talk to you like you were a person or something!! I haven't even had any rabies shots this year!!!!!

heh heh heh heh heh

  


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Posted on Mon, Feb 27, 2006 20:30

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Damn I hate when that happens...stereotypin..geez..
I don't mind being thought of as blue collar, since they built your house, car, bike (no matter what names on it), furniture and the clothes on your back. But the rest of that noise..hmm, you forgot to add, piercings, loud pipes, great parties, the hottest babes and the best NON judgementals you'll never know...
It's Monday? Oh damn showertime again?


Naw you don't gotta shower!!! Use them lil wipes you gets at the IHOP!!!

Another friendly biker tip from BigDaddyDOC!!

Go figger I don't even ride a Harley neither!!!!!

heh heh heh heh heh heh


Was you watching me try to clean up nice again? IHOP ran out so I use QuakerSteak & Lube's, they have soap in'em too...ewww baby I'm all good now..

I, like Kin, put on a skirt and heels every freakin day and trust me you wouldn't care what I bike I ride..

Doc~ You'll never own a HD and I'd ride with you and many others anytime!
Can't we all just ride~ get it~ RIDE...


i wanna ride NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and all i care about is the wind in my face--so pleaseeeeeeeeeeee

when i walked into the other dealers they ignored me!!!!!! but i walked into Harley and was immediately recognized as a customer---and anytime i see my salesman Jimmy--i get a great big hug and kiss---soooooooo if those other dealers wanted my business they should have treated me with respect!!!!!!



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Posted on Mon, Feb 27, 2006 20:27

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Sir, just look at yourself in your pic..... Need I say more about the image problem???????



ok, i have looked at my pic... so where do you see a problem with my image? please elaborate because maybe you are seeing something that i have missed.


stillme--he hasn't even posted a pic--soooooooooooo????????????/ i wonder why??????



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Posted on Mon, Feb 27, 2006 19:30

Horseman88 write:
The problem with Harley-Davidson motorcycles
(idea) by Starrynight (1.3 wk) (print) ? 3 C!s Thu May 11 2000 at 16:44:31


I am a motorcyclist. I ride a Ducati 900SS (used to ride a Honda Hawk -- both are v-twins, just like a Harley), and it's my primary mode of transportation. Raining? Too bad, guess I'll just get wet.
In any case, as much as I don't like it, there's a often a difference between Harley riders and other motorcyclists. There are two main problems with the motorcycles that Harley-Davidson produces that contribute to this.

The Performance Problem:
All current Harley motors are V-twins. There's nothing wrong with this; all Ducati motors are v-twins also, and that hasn't stopped them from winning superbike title after superbike title on their red rockets. Honda's new RC51 is a v-twin Ducati-killer. It's clear that v-twins are capable of high performance.

Yet Harley produces huge (1200cc; that's really big) v-twins that make, I dunno, maybe 65 horsepower. No, probably less than that, more like 40 or 50. You'd have to go out of your way to have that kind of pathetic power/displacement ratio. Which is exactly what Harley does. Their motors are very undersquare, which is to say that for a given displacement, the stroke (the length the piston travels; the height of this imaginary cylinder) is longer than the bore (the diameter of the piston; double the radius of the cylinder). So the piston travels a much longer physical distance than its oversquare counterparts. Not to mention the fact that it's a pushrod engine.

This is bad. It means that Harley motors can't rev very high; it wouldn't be comfortable to rev one of those big v-twins past 4000 RPM or so (because of the vibration -- Harley engines, with that narrow cylinder angle, vibrate horribly), and it wouldn't be safe to go much past 6000, because the pistons are at that point travelling way too many feet per second.

Harley motors use 20-year-old engine technology, and their only excuse is "tradition".

The Price Problem:
Head into a Harley-Davidson dealer sometime and look at the prices. $10,000, $15,000, $18,000. . . let's make something very clear, any motorcycle that costs more than 10 grand better be delivering some serious performance. There is no excuse for these kind of prices.

A Harley-Davidson is a very expensive fashion statement. What you think it says is: "I'm a free spirit who comes and goes with the wind" when in fact the statement is closer to "I paid $15,000 for 50 horsepower and 700 pounds of chrome". Not all motorcyclists agree with me here, but buying a Harley is stupid. The actual motorcycle does not justify the exorbitant price Harley charges for admission to their Rich Urban Biker club.

Ah, wait a minute, you say -- isn't it that you just don't like cruisers, with their chrome and their leather and their goofy fringes? Hardly. There is a cruiser bike on the market today that I would love to own - the Honda Valkyrie. It's big and heavy, but it has an excuse - a tricked out, flat-six motor that is visually striking (looks like an airplane motor or something) and has the the performance to back it up. That's a cruiser I'd like to own.

But a Harley? 20 grand for 20-year-old (or worse) technology? I don't think so.

To be fair, this may be starting to change. Harley just started selling their new V-Rod, which is sort of a cruiser for the future. It features smoothed-over styling and better suspension compontents, as well as a 60-degree liquid-cooled v-twin mill (smoother and better-balanced than Harley's old 45-degree motor) co-designed by Porche. If the reviews are any indication, this bike has muscle to back up its attitude. I think it retails for something like $18,500, which is a lot of money. You can get a Japanese cruiser with as much power for $5000 less. Gotta have the American Spirit? Get a Polaris.

I applaud Harley's concession that their ancient "Evolution" engine design is getting old, but the price they're asking a rider to pay for a bike that looks good and performs well is still inexcusably high.



Uh,I'm still stuck on the non-bathing and gang fighting issue. Where in all this vast knowledge are the stats on the ratio between Harley riders and others on the subject of bathing and fighting?

I know,I know,my worries seem so mundane. But I need to know if I need to register myself as a violent offender anytime soon.

  


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Posted on Mon, Feb 27, 2006 10:10

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Damn I hate when that happens...stereotypin..geez..
I don't mind being thought of as blue collar, since they built your house, car, bike (no matter what names on it), furniture and the clothes on your back. But the rest of that noise..hmm, you forgot to add, piercings, loud pipes, great parties, the hottest babes and the best NON judgementals you'll never know...
It's Monday? Oh damn showertime again?


Naw you don't gotta shower!!! Use them lil wipes you gets at the IHOP!!!

Another friendly biker tip from BigDaddyDOC!!

Go figger I don't even ride a Harley neither!!!!!

heh heh heh heh heh heh

Was you watching me try to clean up nice again? IHOP ran out so I use QuakerSteak & Lube's, they have soap in'em too...ewww baby I'm all good now..

I, like Kin, put on a skirt and heels every freakin day and trust me you wouldn't care what I bike I ride..

Doc~ You'll never own a HD and I'd ride with you and many others anytime!
Can't we all just ride~ get it~ RIDE...

  


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Posted on Mon, Feb 27, 2006 08:09

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Hmmmmm

I gotta tell you, while I'm not a fan of Harley's bikes, I'm also not a fan of lumping everyone on a Harley together so I can dump on them either.

I agree that their bikes have technical deficiencies, but I also support anyone who owns one and actually rides which I know everyone that has responded to you here duz, Q would ride circles around most guyz on anything!!

I think the point is, which was already brought up, is we're in a country where we can buy what we want and enjoy it. I myself will probably never buy a Harley. I do however routinely ride with, wrench with and hang with peeps that ride Harleys. The same is also true of peeps on Hondas, BMW's, Yamaha's and so on.

I've always viewed it as us,(with us being all bikers), against the rest of the world. You seem to believe that you're more intelligent then everyone so I'm sure you won't mind riding alone all the time as our low IQ would most likely bore you to tears!!

Just my 2 cents

Keep ridin and smilin


my bike isn't a harley either
.

  


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Posted on Mon, Feb 27, 2006 08:07

P.S. I'm looking at Yamaha V Stars for myself. It doesn't matter what you ride dude..

The rider and the man are within!!



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Posted on Mon, Feb 27, 2006 08:06

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Sir, just look at yourself in your pic..... Need I say more about the image problem???????


ok, i have looked at my pic... so where do you see a problem with my image? please elaborate because maybe you are seeing something that i have missed.



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Posted on Mon, Feb 27, 2006 08:03

I don't own a bike yet but ..GOD I LOVE TO RIDE.
You can find me at the local MC , on the beach, in the office, or at a cocktail party with government officials in a dress n heels that would bring you to your knees.

Shame on you...Mr BMW..You ride a Beamer because that makes YOU feel like you're in a different "class" .. Who's stereotyping NOW?

  


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Posted on Mon, Feb 27, 2006 05:45

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Damn I hate when that happens...stereotypin..geez..
I don't mind being thought of as blue collar, since they built your house, car, bike (no matter what names on it), furniture and the clothes on your back. But the rest of that noise..hmm, you forgot to add, piercings, loud pipes, great parties, the hottest babes and the best NON judgementals you'll never know...
It's Monday? Oh damn showertime again?

Naw you don't gotta shower!!! Use them lil wipes you gets at the IHOP!!!

Another friendly biker tip from BigDaddyDOC!!

Go figger I don't even ride a Harley neither!!!!!

heh heh heh heh heh heh

  


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Posted on Mon, Feb 27, 2006 05:43

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We bikers still have an image problem with the society at large. When people hear the word biker, they immediately think of blue collar, low class, bad hygiene, tatoo, long hair, beard, gang, fights..... all that stuff epitomized by most of the Harley riders. I must say I am ashamed of the image.... I am a professional and I love motorcycles but I hate to be viewed as a stereotype. I will never in my life buy a Harley, my current bike, a Beamer. At least people look at me differently.


LMAO, well my advise is for you to put on your prissy little suit, pack up your laptop and briefcase on the back of your beemer and shove that elitist little attitude staight up your a$$ partner. Just my humble opinion though.

Oh yea, and what 2K said !!!

  


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Posted on Mon, Feb 27, 2006 05:40

Hmmmmm

I gotta tell you, while I'm not a fan of Harley's bikes, I'm also not a fan of lumping everyone on a Harley together so I can dump on them either.

I agree that their bikes have technical deficiencies, but I also support anyone who owns one and actually rides which I know everyone that has responded to you here duz, Q would ride circles around most guyz on anything!!

I think the point is, which was already brought up, is we're in a country where we can buy what we want and enjoy it. I myself will probably never buy a Harley. I do however routinely ride with, wrench with and hang with peeps that ride Harleys. The same is also true of peeps on Hondas, BMW's, Yamaha's and so on.

I've always viewed it as us,(with us being all bikers), against the rest of the world. You seem to believe that you're more intelligent then everyone so I'm sure you won't mind riding alone all the time as our low IQ would most likely bore you to tears!!

Just my 2 cents

Keep ridin and smilin

  


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Posted on Mon, Feb 27, 2006 03:14

Damn I hate when that happens...stereotypin..geez..
I don't mind being thought of as blue collar, since they built your house, car, bike (no matter what names on it), furniture and the clothes on your back. But the rest of that noise..hmm, you forgot to add, piercings, loud pipes, great parties, the hottest babes and the best NON judgementals you'll never know...
It's Monday? Oh damn showertime again?

  


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Posted on Sun, Feb 26, 2006 22:01

Your not a native Virginian are you? I bet your from Martha's Vineyard.

  


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