Does evil exist? Religion

  • View author's info Author posted on Jan 24, 2006 10:28


    a recent email that i received:

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    Did God create everything that exists? Does evil exist? Did God create evil?

    A University professor at a well known institution of higher learning challenged his students with this question. "Did God create everything that exists?" A student bravely replied, "Yes he did!"

    "God created everything?" The professor asked.

    "Yes sir, he certainly did," the student replied.

    The professor answered, "If God created everything; then God created evil.

    And, since evil exists, and according to the principal that our works define who we are, then we can assume God is evil."

    The student became quiet and did not answer the professor's hypothetical definition. The professor, quite pleased with himself, boasted to the students that he had proven once more that the Christian faith was a myth.

    Another student raised his hand and said, "May I ask you a question, professor?"

    "Of course", replied the professor.

    The student stood up and asked, "Professor, does cold exist?"

    "What kind of question is this? Of course it exists. Have you never been cold?" The other students snickered at the young man's question.

    The young man replied, "In fact sir, cold does not exist. According to the laws of physics, what we consider cold is in reality the absence of heat. Every body or object is susceptible to study when it has or transmits energy, and heat is what makes a body or matter have or transmit energy. Absolute zero (-460 F) is the total absence of heat; and all matter becomes inert and incapable of reaction at that temperature. Cold does not exist. We have created this word to describe how we feel if we have no heat."

    The student continued, "Professor, does darkness exist?"

    The professor responded, "Of course it does."

    The student replied, "Once again you are wrong sir, darkness does not exist either. Darkness is in reality the absence of light. Light we can study, but not darkness. In fact, we can use Newton's prism to break white light into many colors and study the various wavelengths of each color. You cannot measure darkness. A simple ray of light can break into a world of darkness and illuminate it. How can you know how dark a certain space is? You measure the amount of light present. Isn't this correct? Darkness is a term used by man to describe what happens when there is no light present."

    Finally the young man asked the professor, "Sir, does evil exist?"

    Now uncertain, the professor responded, "Of course, as I have already said. We see it everyday. It is in the daily examples of man's inhumanity to man.
    It is in the multitude of crime and violence everywhere in the world. These manifestations are nothing else but evil.

    To this the student replied, "Evil does not exist, sir, or at least it does not exist unto itself. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a
    word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love
    present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat, or the darkness that comes when there is no light."

    The professor sat down.

    The young man's name -- Albert Einstein
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    i doubt that Einstein really had this conversation with a professor but still a good story.
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  • View author's info posted on Sep 14, 2006 15:09


    evil is knowledge of thirst for darkness,almost like a craving to see how deep it goes,the deeper the darker,the blacker the thicker,there is good and bad in everyone.

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  • View author's info posted on Aug 04, 2006 13:43


    Is it in the mind or lack of mind that it exist?
  • View author's info posted on Aug 03, 2006 13:31


    Yes...evil exists,but only in the mind mankind.
  • View author's info posted on Jun 06, 2006 10:05


    5thgear write:
    If we take the apostle Paul's perspective - he wrote in Galations that evil was the act of going back under the law and having sin consciousness -anything that went against the gospel of peace and grace.

    Life will be life as it is here on Earth, but God and Jesus have already bought and paid for us all.

    Admission to the best amusement park is already paid for!!!
    Lets quite concentrating energy on what is "evil" and ask what is "good" and how can we awaken the Kingdom of Heaven.

    5thgear--its evil to put 6 gears in a Dyna and not Softails now that is evil.
  • View author's info posted on Feb 23, 2006 18:23


    usa2112 write:
    DirtyBikers4Eva write:
    Just thought Id lighten up this thread a bit!!! No offense, but u both could debate this issue til your death, its older than all of us!!

    I hope Bill brings the wife!


    Naw... I doubt he brings her anywhere, she might bring him though!! LOL
  • View author's info posted on Feb 23, 2006 18:21


    SpringerSoul write:
    DirtyBikers4Eva write:
    Just thought Id lighten up this thread a bit!!! No offense, but u both could debate this issue til your death, its older than all of us!!

    DirtyBiker,

    You are right.
    No intellectual force or emotional appeal can open what is Grace's to reveal alone and each must have what is theirs alone and each is great in that alone.

    USA
    Peace be with you and I apologize for being a little devil and stirring things up.
    Go in Faith to Love and Serve the Lord.
    Springer

    I love lil devils!! Ha ha ha I wonder why that is?? Hmmmm??? Ha ha ha
  • View author's info posted on Feb 23, 2006 08:43


    DirtyBikers4Eva write:
    Just thought Id lighten up this thread a bit!!! No offense, but u both could debate this issue til your death, its older than all of us!!

    DirtyBiker,

    You are right.
    No intellectual force or emotional appeal can open what is Grace's to reveal alone and each must have what is theirs alone and each is great in that alone.

    USA
    Peace be with you and I apologize for being a little devil and stirring things up.
    Go in Faith to Love and Serve the Lord.
    Springer
  • View author's info posted on Feb 23, 2006 07:49


    Just thought Id lighten up this thread a bit!!! No offense, but u both could debate this issue til your death, its older than all of us!!

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  • View author's info posted on Feb 21, 2006 21:33


    USA,
    He was compelled from within but God did not coerce.
    He had the same freedom to refuse as everyone does and yet he chose to listen and participate in the mystery. The choices we make choose the life we live and the world we live in and the one our children's childern inherit. We do have choice a considerable amount if we could only find the faith in ourselves we might find a new world. God suffers in support of our freedom to choose even that which injures his greatest Love.
    The Kingdom of God is already here; has been for some time now. Isn't it a great place to be.

    Chutes and Ladders...that was an enjoyable metaphor.

    Again your on fire...great!
    Peace be with You! May Wisdom Fill You!
  • View author's info posted on Feb 20, 2006 22:29


    If human participation has no effect

    what would have been the result of John the Baptist not leaving his comfort zone in the wilderness to chastise the people and baptize with water?

    A mystery lies in Jesus's baptism by John. Contemplate it.

    Is it really the way its suppose to be?
    Why is their a flaming sword held by an Angel at Garden of Eden Gates?
  • View author's info posted on Feb 20, 2006 17:56


    usa2112 write:
    I question that choice is free will.We make choices based on our knowledge/experience.Why does a child put his hand in the fire?Because he is evil?No, because he is curious,he has a hunger to learn.Who placed that hunger for knowledge into this child?So acting on that hunger is not a choice,it is part of who we are.

    Even Paul writes,The things I would do I do not,that which I would not do,those things I do"he also proclaims himself to be "chief of sinners",not that he was a sinner and now is a good man.He knew the evil of the flesh that CANNOT be shaken off by man.That is not a choice,we are born into it.There is no riotousness in this world except for the Spirit of God! NOT 1 MAN NOR WOMAN!
    and why is that?GOD'S WILL!Did you ever think that maybe God wants us to experience sin and evil so that we knew the difference and would be so totally overwhelmed by it's absence when we enter into His kingdom?Does that mean you can go out and do as you wish and sin as you like?Well you do anyways,so yes as a matter of fact it does.Of coarse God is not pleased by it but HE knows we must experience it as part of HIS plan!No one wakes up ans say to themselves "I'm going to be evil today" it is a natural occurrence.We are compelled to do so.Show me a man who thinks he sins less than another and I'll show you a man so wrapped up in himself he loves no one else!


    dude, did you cut and paste this or are you serious??
  • View author's info posted on Feb 20, 2006 13:31


    usa2112 write:
    I question that choice is free will.We make choices based on our knowledge/experience.Why does a child put his hand in the fire?Because he is evil?No, because he is curious,he has a hunger to learn.Who placed that hunger for knowledge into this child?So acting on that hunger is not a choice,it is part of who we are.

    Even Paul writes,The things I would do I do not,that which I would not do,those things I do"he also proclaims himself to be "chief of sinners",not that he was a sinner and now is a good man.He knew the evil of the flesh that CANNOT be shaken off by man.That is not a choice,we are born into it.There is no riotousness in this world except for the Spirit of God! NOT 1 MAN NOR WOMAN!
    and why is that?GOD'S WILL!Did you ever think that maybe God wants us to experience sin and evil so that we knew the difference and would be so totally overwhelmed by it's absence when we enter into His kingdom?Does that mean you can go out and do as you wish and sin as you like?Well you do anyways,so yes as a matter of fact it does.Of coarse God is not pleased by it but HE knows we must experience it as part of HIS plan!No one wakes up ans say to themselves "I'm going to be evil today" it is a natural occurrence.We are compelled to do so.Show me a man who thinks he sins less than another and I'll show you a man so wrapped up in himself he loves no one else!

    Very Well Put,Awsome...
  • View author's info posted on Feb 20, 2006 04:18


    usa2112 write:
    I question that choice is free will.We make choices based on our knowledge/experience.Why does a child put his hand in the fire?Because he is evil?No, because he is curious,he has a hunger to learn.Who placed that hunger for knowledge into this child?So acting on that hunger is not a choice,it is part of who we are.

    Even Paul writes,The things I would do I do not,that which I would not do,those things I do"he also proclaims himself to be "chief of sinners",not that he was a sinner and now is a good man.He knew the evil of the flesh that CANNOT be shaken off by man.That is not a choice,we are born into it.There is no riotousness in this world except for the Spirit of God! NOT 1 MAN NOR WOMAN!
    and why is that?GOD'S WILL!Did you ever think that maybe God wants us to experience sin and evil so that we knew the difference and would be so totally overwhelmed by it's absence when we enter into His kingdom?Does that mean you can go out and do as you wish and sin as you like?Well you do anyways,so yes as a matter of fact it does.Of coarse God is not pleased by it but HE knows we must experience it as part of HIS plan!No one wakes up ans say to themselves "I'm going to be evil today" it is a natural occurrence.We are compelled to do so.Show me a man who thinks he sins less than another and I'll show you a man so wrapped up in himself he loves no one else!


    AMEN BROTHER!!! Another enlightened soul!
  • View author's info posted on Feb 16, 2006 20:17


    SpringerSoul write:
    DirtyBikers4Eva write:
    Cinderella write:
    Does evil exist?

    YES, and they're on BK!


    I find it absolutely amazing that anyone could judge another with such clarity and definition when thier only means of any knowledge of that person is on a website??

    In my opinion True evil only exsists where there is a lack of knowledge and true understanding.

    I sincerely doubt there is ANY truly evil people on here. I know quite a bit about the Bible and have seen it used in so many ways... unfotunately most were selfish ways..

    The Bible says LOVE the sinner HATE the sin. Judge not less ye be Judged. You cannot know whats in the heart of a man unless you are that man. I love everyone, no matter what they say or do. I also try to take what they say the way it was intended and not twist it into some definition of who they are inside. Most people you can see more by reading between the lines rather than the face they wear.

    I vowed not to discuss spirituality on here because everyone thinks they have the answer and everyone else is wrong.

    My opinion is that EVIL is when others JUDGE in the name of GOD!! Casting stones is really a scary practice.

    Maybe I shouldn't stir up trouble myself. I am going to try behaving.
    Passionate statement DirtyBikers..

    I hear ya SS... I hear many things that are wispered lol... Its all good, we are all learnin in this life and will continue to do so I hope..
  • View author's info posted on Feb 16, 2006 17:08


    DirtyBikers4Eva write:
    Cinderella write:
    Does evil exist?

    YES, and they're on BK!


    I find it absolutely amazing that anyone could judge another with such clarity and definition when thier only means of any knowledge of that person is on a website??

    In my opinion True evil only exsists where there is a lack of knowledge and true understanding.

    I sincerely doubt there is ANY truly evil people on here. I know quite a bit about the Bible and have seen it used in so many ways... unfotunately most were selfish ways..

    The Bible says LOVE the sinner HATE the sin. Judge not less ye be Judged. You cannot know whats in the heart of a man unless you are that man. I love everyone, no matter what they say or do. I also try to take what they say the way it was intended and not twist it into some definition of who they are inside. Most people you can see more by reading between the lines rather than the face they wear.

    I vowed not to discuss spirituality on here because everyone thinks they have the answer and everyone else is wrong.

    My opinion is that EVIL is when others JUDGE in the name of GOD!! Casting stones is really a scary practice.

    Maybe I shouldn't stir up trouble myself. I am going to try behaving.
    Passionate statement DirtyBikers..
  • View author's info posted on Feb 15, 2006 05:39


    rides write:
    two things about GOD...there is one...n i'm not HIM...

    For sure!!
  • View author's info posted on Feb 15, 2006 05:37


    SpringerSoul write:
    DirtyBikers4Eva write:
    Cinderella write:
    Does evil exist?

    YES, and they're on BK!


    I find it absolutely amazing that anyone could judge another with such clarity and definition when thier only means of any knowledge of that person is on a website??

    In my opinion True evil only exsists where there is a lack of knowledge and true understanding.

    I sincerely doubt there is ANY truly evil people on here. I know quite a bit about the Bible and have seen it used in so many ways... unfotunately most were selfish ways..

    The Bible says LOVE the sinner HATE the sin. Judge not less ye be Judged. You cannot know whats in the heart of a man unless you are that man. I love everyone, no matter what they say or do. I also try to take what they say the way it was intended and not twist it into some definition of who they are inside. Most people you can see more by reading between the lines rather than the face they wear.

    I vowed not to discuss spirituality on here because everyone thinks they have the answer and everyone else is wrong.

    My opinion is that EVIL is when others JUDGE in the name of GOD!! Casting stones is really a scary practice.

    Wars of economics are more palatable then wars of religion since the latter seeks complete extinction of those who oppose a chosen set of beliefs. While wars of economics seek merely to dominate or gain control of natural resources.
    All stones are cast from a glass house and truly thrown at oneself.
    I think Christ even said something to the affect that it is natural to love one's own kind like animals, but to love those who are different is divine.

    Yes ignorance births numerous evils and the greatest deception is the certainty of one's own perceptions in judgement when the judge is flawed as well.

    As long as we see the other as less than or different than ourselves and less than human it is acceptable to treat them inhumanely and even kill them.
    To sell an inhumane act to the public the destroyed must be viewed as less than human--psychops

    Passionate statement DirtyBikers..

    I think Christ even said something to the affect that it is natural to love one's own kind like animals, but to love those who are different is divine.

    Boy thats the truth!! Very difficult indeed. Great Post!!
  • View author's info posted on Feb 13, 2006 13:11


    Cinderella write:
    Does evil exist?

    YES, and they're on BK!


    I find it absolutely amazing that anyone could judge another with such clarity and definition when thier only means of any knowledge of that person is on a website??

    In my opinion True evil only exsists where there is a lack of knowledge and true understanding.

    I sincerely doubt there is ANY truly evil people on here. I know quite a bit about the Bible and have seen it used in so many ways... unfotunately most were selfish ways..

    The Bible says LOVE the sinner HATE the sin. Judge not less ye be Judged. You cannot know whats in the heart of a man unless you are that man. I love everyone, no matter what they say or do. I also try to take what they say the way it was intended and not twist it into some definition of who they are inside. Most people you can see more by reading between the lines rather than the face they wear.

    I vowed not to discuss spirituality on here because everyone thinks they have the answer and everyone else is wrong.

    My opinion is that EVIL is when others JUDGE in the name of GOD!! Casting stones is really a scary practice.
  • View author's info posted on Feb 11, 2006 08:44


    Abstain from all appearance of evil.
    1st Thessalonians 5:22
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