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Posted on Fri, Aug 05, 2005 20:58

I have tried over and over again to get my two cents down regarding this post and I finally decided to just say what I have on my mind. My experience centers around the late 60's early 70's when a whole lot of you weren't even thought of.

We ran with a small club, perhaps less that 50 members. Everything that has been stated here is true...all of it..the negative AND the positive. I wore my husband's property patch with pride. I still have it and each time I look at it brings a smile to my face thinking about times long passed as he is no longer with me. I think it's all in your perception of "property", for me it had the same meaning as my wedding band but afforded me a bit more protection/respect when we were out on a run. Most of the ladies that have posted here would never do that...to each his own and I respect your opinion but more importantly I respect your right to have it.

When I lost my husband his brothers paid me a "special" visit and informed me that I needn't worry about my son not having a father around, they would help and help they did. They taught him to hunt and to fish. They taught him about what it's like to be a man and how to take responsibility. They gave him confidence, acceptance and reminded him constantly that they wanted better for him than what they had. Today he is a fine family man that I am extremely proud of but I couldn't have done it alone.

When Dad passed away 16 years ago it was with great sorrow and anger that I found out a color guard was no longer supplied. I turned to my family and they promised to try and get a military honor guard. Much to my surprise there were 3 honor guards that day...3.

Yep I've seen the trains, most times they were little girls exactly like the one that started this thread that thought all that iron was exciting and they wanted to be a part of it...and they were. I'm not saying they asked for it...I'm merely saying when you walk into a lion's den, be prepared to find a lion.

I watched leather/chain clad men teaching the kids how to catch and throw a baseball as they entered that little league phase. How to pass a football in the Pop Warner phase. I watched them cry when a brother went down, never to get up again.

There's 4 left today...old age is catching up to us all. But the fact remains that even in the worst of us there's something good. I'm sure my experiences are way different than the majority that are speaking here because I had one special man that I miss more than I can say.

That was decades ago before the doctors, lawyers and movie stars all thought it was cool to ride. The people I'm close to did their own repairs, went down every winter in order to come up with something even better than before. Back then EVERYONE had a target on their backs and I can remember being refused service in a cafe simply because of our attire (or lack thereof).

Nahhhh...I wouldn't recommend that life to anyone for all the reasons that have already been listed and also because it isn't for everyone. Today I wouldn't even think about walking into the lion's den because of a healthy respect or uncanny fear...dunno which is greater but it's insignificant. I merely wanted to point out a slightly different side to some of the men and women who see fit to wear a patch.

Thank you for your time in allowing me to take a walk in the past. "Feel the wind and set yourself a broader course. Keep your heart as open as a shrine, you'll sail a perfect line" (Mr. Bob Seger)

  


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Posted on Wed, Aug 03, 2005 14:53

hi 46 here,

Well I have no fear of anyone with colours. Although my ex wasnt 1% he is now patching over from what i hear. Anyway, I do know that I was treated with respect when we went to runs or anniversary parties or whatever. And i have never had fear of anyone who wears colors or 1%'s. And now even though him and I are no longer together I know I am still welcome to their houses. And I have my bro to protect me if anyharm comes my direction. The ex and I split on good terms. He just wanted to be single again. oh well thats for another time.
46andlooking



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Posted on Wed, Jul 20, 2005 10:12

Yo,
Well I have never ever wanted to be part of any group think organizations. But have done the biker hing for a lot of years.In those years I have gotten my pecker in the dirt with all sorts of people, all sorts of colors and all sorts of races. I learned early on that we are all just people. We bleed and cry and laugh and love. I run with some patches even to this day and am totally comfortable with them. I respect anyone who will catch a bullet for their brothers and have many brothers who would for me to this day, some where colors and some don't. I see it as just how you carry yourself. I see it as just how you respect others.I have ben around many west coast clubs and a couple east coats clubs.I would rather be around hard core people than wishy washy flakes any day. I like people who have and live by codes! And ther are thoroughbreds among all groups and there are slimey ones ther too!
Be well! Ride safe! Smile often!



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Posted on Tue, Jul 05, 2005 12:10

It's always good to be on the outside looking in instead of on the inside looking out, unless you are or were married to one. The life is not for everyone, and as I have said before when you are the spouse left behind it changes alot of things. So unless your heart is in it leave it alone!



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Posted on Tue, Jul 05, 2005 11:36

"VERY"INTERESTING TOPIC.IM GONNA JUST SIT HERE AND READ AWHILE:)PLEASE CONTINUE!!!!SEE YA IN STURGIS!!!!



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Posted on Tue, Jul 05, 2005 10:12

I HAVE BEEN AROUND BIKES ALL MY ADULT LIFE....YES THERE ARE SOME 'CLUBS" THAT WOULD SHOOT YOU AS TO LOOK AT YOU..BUT THERE ARE SOME THAT DO SOME GREAT CHERITY WORK AND ARE A GREAT ASSET TO OUR COMMUNITY....

COLORS...I GUESS IT WOULD DEPEND ON WHAT YOU WEAR THEM FOR..TO TERRORIZE...OR TO DO GOOD....OR IF YOU BELIEVE IN WHAT YOU ARE WEARING...
OR JUS TLOOKING FOR A PLACE TO BELONG.

SOME OF THESE CLUBS ARE NO BETTER THAN A PISTOL PACKING STREET GANG....I ONLY GET UNEASY AROUND THEM IF THEY TALKI LIKE A SEWER RAT AND ACT AS IF THEY ARE BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE, BUT I AM UNEASY AAROUND ANYONE THAT TALKS SHIP AND ACTS LIKE THAT...I HATE DRAMA, I LIKE MY LIFE PEACEFULL AND QUIET...AND SHY FROM THOSE WHO CAN NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE PEACE IN MY LIFE....AJ



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Posted on Tue, Jul 05, 2005 01:00


DakotaBlu write:
HarleyDragon, you took the words right outta my mouth... ladies, if you aren't somebody's ol lady you are viewed as a potential pass around... and if you're a pass around, you'll NEVER be a brother's ol lady... when they're done with ya they'll trade ya for a pack of cigarettes.. I've seen it happen more than once... my ol man lived and died a 1%er... he was killed while on "club business".. the initial question here was "are you uneasy around patches?".. my answer is absolutely not... the ol man's brothers were, are and always will be family... I love them all, but I am only TOO aware of what my "family" is capable of...


PERFECT EXPLAINATION! ....I'VE SEEN WOMEN TOTALLY DESTROYED BY THIS....I JUST HATE TO SEE WOMEN SO NIEVE TO WHAT CAN REALLY HAPPEN BECAUSE OF A LITTLE KINDNESS....AWARENESS IS KEY...I WOULD ALSO LIKE YOU TO KNOW I'M SORRY FOR YOUR LOSS!

  


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Posted on Tue, Jul 05, 2005 00:32


leggybrunette write:

Ukin write:

harleydragon write:
it's a gamble and you know they say never gamble with what you are not prepared to lose.I think the odds are stacked against you



I play Poker...and I know when to bet and when to fold...I don't like odds stacked against me.
Been invited to "Church" this Friday..decision time is looming HD.

Ukin, It is obvious that you are stuggling with a very difficult choice..A friend of mine once told me that "In times of indecision...don't decide"....that really stands out in my mind in your situation & thought I'd share it...All the best to ya hon...


LEGGYBRUNNETTE........ I AGREE...I WAS ALWAYS TOLD WHEN IN DOUBT "DON'T"

  


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Posted on Sat, Jul 02, 2005 12:27

"....but, most likely, we would die defending each other"

truer words never spoken...
respect & regards...
Blu



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Posted on Sat, Jul 02, 2005 09:17

I wasn't gonna post on this subject, cuz I don't know how other clubs treat people (women especially). But, ya had to mention that book written by that worm Billy. It's a good book if ya read it as a fiction novel, but his role in the MONGOLS wasn't anywhere near the stories he wrote. He had to justify getting paid to have fun. How could anyone believe the words of a snitch? Whether he was a cop or a biker, it still all boils down to him being a very untrustworthy person. We have Commandments that we live by. We have a brotherhood like I have never seen anywhere before, not even in Vietnam (2 years)1st Air Cavalry Division, HOO-AH!! We try to keep civilians away from any Club business(Laughlin was uncalled 4). If you see a property patch on one of our ol' ladies, you can bet she's wearin it cuz she's proud of the man she's with, not to signal her ownership by him. we don't need to own anybody, when we throw a party, LA's finest women show up, and they're treated like ladies. Yeah, we'll get one of our brothers a drink first, but, most likely, we would die defending each other, so who would YOU value most? Our Brotherhood started for the purpose of riding and wearing whatever we wanted, without some other club telling us we couldn't. One of our Laws is to never use your patch for personal gain. Maybe, my club is different than the rest, but we're at peace with all but one, and the world is looking at us right now, and I think the informed are looking with a favorable opinion.
Thanks for letting me share.....

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Posted on Fri, Jul 01, 2005 20:46

I feel at ease when a group with colors or patches is around. Heck I wear em myself. In my area we have several clubs representing all types of riders. I mostly know them all and have shared several events with some. In my life I had only one problem with a misguided group who thought the table I was eating at was gonna be thiers cause they wanted it. We worked it out like men,they crouded my space and I let them see what was under my jacket, I never even had to speak a word, and they decided two tables in the back looked much better. ANd I went back to my lunch.
The ones I fear more is the group of punks that are out as a group just to raise havic.
Chkn



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Posted on Fri, Jul 01, 2005 17:59

No way! I feel right at home



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Posted on Thu, Jun 23, 2005 18:14

Gruff ... miss me?????? how you been darlin?



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Posted on Thu, Jun 23, 2005 18:10

My opinion on patches, if anyones gives a sh)*&& .... I'd rather hang out in the club houses than the biker bars. At least you know who your friends are and the drinks are cheaper, and hell, you never have to drive home. Your brothers and sisters got your back. Leave your wallet on the bar and no one will touch it. All these yuppie weekenders ... wuz the world coming to?



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Posted on Wed, Jun 01, 2005 03:24


harleydragon write:

redwoodchoppers write:
Ukin understands the error in his ways...now. I kinda feel sorry for the guy. To reach his age and not have a clue...on how to conduct himself.

The other part of your post was great and to the point. The only thing I can add, is a there a lot of outside help from the local, state and Federal police and investagtive departments. That do their best to keep motorcycle clubs...from getting along (for lack of stronger words).

The same tactics where used againest the civil rights movement, Vietnam war protesters, the white power groups, the various prison gangs and even the tree huggers (remember the big bad cop holding the girls eyes open and spraying mace into them...because they had chained themselfs to some desk in a governmat office)

There is a new book out by the ATF or DEA agent that was a officer in one of the motorcycle clubs in California. This book futher proves my point.

So it is no wonder that things keep going on as usual. You have people that are getting paid serious money and have exciting jobs...playing supercops. That have a vested interest in keeping the old wounds open and creating new ones.



I would be interested in that book if you have any info on it..thanks ( and before any of my friends have a chance to commit on this..yes , I have someone available to read it to me )


Don't pist your boy off and make him leave Grandpa.

  


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Posted on Tue, May 31, 2005 18:51

Just got done reading it...very interesting and chilling....called "Under and Alone" by William Queen



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Posted on Tue, May 31, 2005 13:38


redwoodchoppers write:
Ukin understands the error in his ways...now. I kinda feel sorry for the guy. To reach his age and not have a clue...on how to conduct himself.

The other part of your post was great and to the point. The only thing I can add, is a there a lot of outside help from the local, state and Federal police and investagtive departments. That do their best to keep motorcycle clubs...from getting along (for lack of stronger words).

The same tactics where used againest the civil rights movement, Vietnam war protesters, the white power groups, the various prison gangs and even the tree huggers (remember the big bad cop holding the girls eyes open and spraying mace into them...because they had chained themselfs to some desk in a governmat office)

There is a new book out by the ATF or DEA agent that was a officer in one of the motorcycle clubs in California. This book futher proves my point.

So it is no wonder that things keep going on as usual. You have people that are getting paid serious money and have exciting jobs...playing supercops. That have a vested interest in keeping the old wounds open and creating new ones.



I would be interested in that book if you have any info on it..thanks ( and before any of my friends have a chance to commit on this..yes , I have someone available to read it to me )



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Posted on Tue, May 31, 2005 13:03


harleydragon write:

redwoodchoppers write:
Ukin understands the error in his ways...now. I kinda feel sorry for the guy. To reach his age and not have a clue...on how to conduct himself.

The other part of your post was great and to the point. The only thing I can add, is a there a lot of outside help from the local, state and Federal police and investagtive departments. That do their best to keep motorcycle clubs...from getting along (for lack of stronger words).

The same tactics where used againest the civil rights movement, Vietnam war protesters, the white power groups, the various prison gangs and even the tree huggers (remember the big bad cop holding the girls eyes open and spraying mace into them...because they had chained themselfs to some desk in a governmat office)

There is a new book out by the ATF or DEA agent that was a officer in one of the motorcycle clubs in California. This book futher proves my point.

So it is no wonder that things keep going on as usual. You have people that are getting paid serious money and have exciting jobs...playing supercops. That have a vested interest in keeping the old wounds open and creating new ones.



I would be interested in that book if you have any info on it..thanks



Its called Under and Alone: by Willam Queen, who was an ATF Agent who became a full patched member of the Mongols. Its a really good book, i just got done reading it.



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Posted on Tue, May 31, 2005 12:27

Ukin understands the error in his ways...now. I kinda feel sorry for the guy. To reach his age and not have a clue...on how to conduct himself.

The other part of your post was great and to the point. The only thing I can add, is a there a lot of outside help from the local, state and Federal police and investagtive departments. That do their best to keep motorcycle clubs...from getting along (for lack of stronger words).

The same tactics where used againest the civil rights movement, Vietnam war protesters, the white power groups, the various prison gangs and even the tree huggers (remember the big bad cop holding the girls eyes open and spraying mace into them...because they had chained themselfs to some desk in a governmat office)

There is a new book out by the ATF or DEA agent that was a officer in one of the motorcycle clubs in California. This book futher proves my point.

So it is no wonder that things keep going on as usual. You have people that are getting paid serious money and have exciting jobs...playing supercops. That have a vested interest in keeping the old wounds open and creating new ones.



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Posted on Thu, May 26, 2005 00:12


gothic_biker_hippie write:
I don't want people to think I am stupid, but i am really curious about this. My mom dated a lot of bikers, some in various "gangs" as they used to call them, some who were independent. My mother pawned us off on anybody, so we didn't spend a lot of time with her. I used to hear my grandmother and other people tell these horror stories of bikers who beat their old ladies and passed them around, they were basically forced to be with all the men in the organization. Does this kind of thing still go on?
I have no family except my daughter, who is 10. I would love the thought of having a family, and I am tired of struggling to keep a roof over our heads. I had a man suggest to me a biker "compound" would probably take us in. I don't know what they would require of me. I am pretty easy going and can tolerate quite a bit, but I wouldn't want any danger to my child, and I am a one-man woman. We do both desperately want family. What do y'all think of this. And even if it is a good idea, how would I go about it?




Damn girl!! did you bump your head???

that's got to be the dumbest thing since 53 yr old wanna be prospects (ukin)!!!



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