Like Harley Dragon, I'm not going to name names, but we just had two members of one club blow away a member of another club when he walked into the "wrong" bar, which was a local sports bar. Local papers and P.D. tried to blame it on "jumping over" problems, as they put it, from club to club. I see trouble...
I don't doubt that, they use to be in the news all the time through the 70's. They must have scaled back on their activity's and types of entertainment because I can't remember any mention of any clubs for a long time.
Call me a Redneck, I reckon that I am but after reading every reply in this topic I'm confused. I thought most of those gangs, referred to as "Clubs" here were eliminated years ago as they were around this part of the state. I haven't heard of that sort of activity in Florida for decades. I read all these lady comments about "Feeling Safe"? Duh, If you willingly hang out with a group that drugs and "Gang Trains" women at party's for entertainment you might think your'e safe from your bud's but if they pick on the wrong gal in the wrong town from the right family ain't nobody gonna be safe. I don't get it, this is 2005.
HD/Cheshire - Y'all know what you're talking about & it's good you are being blunt about it.
I have never associated with these types of clubs nor have any desire to do so.
On that note, I've backed out all my previous replies on this subject.
Those of you that know me from this site know I seldom get serious here very often. But I am dead serious when I say that anyone who does not have an intimate knowledge of 1%ers needs to pay close attention to what HD, Blu, Char, Chessie, Falcon, and others are saying. They know of what they speak.
Oh forgot--had a friend who had a 'little problem' that the 'club' helped her out with. Eh, no big deal.......A month or so later...they just decided that she could repay the favor with a few car titles to vehicles she 'really didn't need'. It was the cars or her bike...... Aint nothun free..... including favors
OK, for a little more straight talk----let's hope you have a big 'blood brother' (I mean your for real brother- and even that may not be good enough when we are talking clubs!) who happens to be the club president and maybe another in some other 'arms'position' if one of the boys decides he thinks you are perty after an evening of partying and you are nobody's property........
When one of the locals decided he wanted 'out' they decided inking out the tattoo was not good enough and cut it out of his arm. ..... He was found dead a month later. I'm sure there are MANY more stories that could be told-- be real careful---yea, I have club friends/acquaintances, but I guess i have just seen enough of the bad stuff for so long that I have always been careful...........
Being a biker since I was 14 I know about allll aspects of club life. Some have visited but few have 'lived' it. I for one respect what lies behind the visitors eyes. Where do you ladies thing the term "MAMA" came from and do you know what it means? Do you have any idea what 'property of' job description entails? Few do. Safe? perhaps until you let your guard down or 'they' decide otherwise. HD & Gruff & SLBs...are aware.
Not said w/any negativity..it's just a fact. When I was just a wee babe I used to think 'mama' was where it was at...lol
Depends what type of "club" your talking about. I've met some 1%'s and by themselves they were cool guys. Don't think I'd want to be in a group by myself. (No offense to all you good guys out there). Also been to some of the rallys where the chicks walk around with "property of..." and the name of the guy they're currently riding with on a patch between the club rockers. Uh huh. Not my thing. There are good guys and bad guys,(same with girls) just need to keep your eyes open and know where Not to be. Peace.
Been around HD since I was a kid and my mom dated HD riders and we went to the TT's and my boyfriend's brother-in-law was the club president. (I was 16) No, i have never been abused or man-handled by any club members, but I keep my wits about me and am respected both as a female and a rider. (I have 2 of my own Harleys) They can be some of the greatest people on the earth. I also know that I do not ever want to be anybody's property--I have enough laws and rules to follow.... and know some of the things that go on and are required of 1%ers. Guns in pockets with baby nipples make me nervous and those of you who have really been around clubs will know what i mean......
ladybug has it right -- eyes and ears ALWAYS open, whether with 1%'ers, association members, or non-affiliated riders. Not everyone is what they seem at first. And ladies, it isn't that we don't respect or trust you or the 1%'ers. We do. We just want to make sure you're safe and aware of the pitfalls that some have seen or experienced first-hand. And even we'll admit there's a lot of good times out there too, as many of you have espoused. They can be great friends; they can also be your worst nightmare. Keeping with ladybug's philosophy will save you the nightmare.
You ladies have friends in the clubs, great. Just don't get careless, and don't put yourself or the non-clubber guy you're with into a position that will take violence or the cops (if you're lucky enough to find one before something happens) to get you and/or him out of.
Do I have 1%er friends? My father is a past president of a CA Hell's Angels chapter. That gets me zip respect-wise with them; remember I'm not a member. A few SOS and the Ambassador for the Warlords are also friends of mine. We may have a cigar or a drink together from time to time, but we don't go into each other's worlds uninvited. Respect? Sure. But I also know that if push comes to shove, my 1%er friends are going to side with their club and not with me, especially if I don't like how they are treating my lady. Losing face and prestige is not something that they take lightly, believe me. Again, are there nice guys and gals in the clubs? Sure. But don't forget you aren't a member and that you are going to continually get the same type of respect that they demand of you. Fun to party with? Can be. Just remember that the drunker you get and they get, the more likely it is that someone's going to say the wrong thing, and reason is not going to save you. So be careful, ladies. It doesn?t always end up being the kind of fun you thought you were going to have. Never, ever disrespect their colors. Dead doesn?t look good on anyone.
I'm totally on board with both HD and SLB. There's a difference between the clubs and associations. The 1%'ers are into a lot of things that aren't necessarily above board. It's all territory and respect to them. Some nice people, but heavily into protectionism of their own and they do view the ladies as potential pass-arounds (even if your friend doesn't, I guarantee other members will). And even the nice guys will do whatever it takes to make sure the club doesn't lose face when the time comes. They love to have the ladies around though; but much prefer to make you trophies and possessions than to just be friends. And any time I see a probate from a club, I give them a wide berth. They want to make a name for themselves, and will start something at the drop of a hat, respect or not. And woe be the guy who tries to get his lady away from a clubber, probie, or group of either. They respect each other (most of the time), but have little for other associations or riders except maybe for the single fact they ride. They'll gladly help out the ladies that want to ride, but don't expect to keep getting those rides without having to do some payback somewhere. And never ask a clubber for a favor -- you may not like what they want in return.