I have been burned once again and I am getting ready to say it is all not worth the time nor effort. Why is it I always seems to give 110 percent and my other half takes and then when done just hurts me. But not outright though but behind my back. I am sick of it and need to hear from all you what you think i should do about this and let me know if I should give up for there are no honest and loyal men out there anymore.

Sue

Hun, there is at least ONE honest, loyal MAN out here. Naturally I can only count and speak for ME. I keep searching, failing, looking at SELF, to see what 'behaviors' I have that invite the user, needy, Women. I strongly believe that I attract Women from what Karma, I put out. Therefor I am responisble for all the mistakes in 'relationships' that I have made, and need to continue to redefine whom I am and how I want others to view me. I even re-did my profile, to include that I am a Nam Vet, with PTSD and bi-polar issues. Doing that I hope to weed out most of the bullsh*t Women, and find one that is willing to learn about theses conditions. Other wise why bother. "IF I CONTINUE TO DO WHAT I HAVE ALWAYS DONE, I WILL CONTINUE TO GET THE SAME RESULTS.
PEACE
MtnMan

Hi all, back new to the dating scene again & yep here's what I want: honesty AND loyalty AND ... everything else! Remember you deserve what you accept! so I (oh so laughingly among my friends!) "burn" through them real fast (lost the 2 week pool this time) ah but its always about YOUR ride so yeah even decades later Sue - DON'T settle, expect THE best & KEEP riding!

There are still a few of us good men around,,,

I think it would be easier to find a needle in a haystack!!!or a deer in the dark!!!

I remember a few years back, I had just shot a very nice deer, an 8 point with a nice spread.

I sat in the stand for about 30 minutes, as I wanted it to drop. When I got out, I walked around for about two hours looking for it... getting frantic as it was getting dark.

Just as I said "aw hell.. time to go get the boys and some flash lights!", I looked down and it was right at my feet.

Frustrating searches often occur, when you ought not be searching so hard.

ss.....i know it is hard to still beleive in the good, after something bad happens....but there are good people out there, and take the time like you said you need to-time has a way of eliminating the bad and only letting the good remain....someone will be around that corner when you least expect it, or really are ready for it...but it will happen for you, so take care of yourself, do what you like and need to do to fulifll yourself and be happy, and when the time is set for you to met the special someone, it will happen-but not until it is ment to...so take heart and care.....trust me, i have given up plenty of times, but when i had-someone or something came along to make me beleive again, something as simple as a smile from a stranger can make you beleive...............

Good attitude girl.I have decided to chill on looking for a man for now ,(told i had to) by alot of women and I think they are right.The man for us is out there maybe we should let him find us.

Thank you all for your advise. I am going to do my best to pick up the pieces of my life and look out for the good guys. Yes I plan on being very leary and careful of the men that are out there. I will try to have a great outlook on life and make the best of everything with or without a man in my life.

And in being considered a member of the frog species (all green, slimy and covered in warts) I would like to point out a difference.
Us frogs say "ribbit, ribbit". but if on first meet, they say "rubbit,rubbit", steer clear. They are just a horny toad. : )

Hmmm.. so do you want?

1. Honesty AND Loyalty?
2. Honesty OR Loyalty?
3. Mostly Honesty but Loyalty would be a bonus?
4. Honesty with a splash of Loyalty
5. 1., but 2. would be okay?
6. 1., 2., but not 3. 0r 4.?
7. Mosty 1., 3. would be okay but NEVER 4., 5., or 8.
8. I forgot now or got lost in the road map of the answers.

Remember, nothing is never as it seems, shyness can be interpreted as dislike, evasiveness can be interpreted as dishonesty, etc. etc. etc.

A Spark happens fast, but a forest fire may brew over a period of time. Oh yeah, and in any forest fire... lots of trees get burnt. I don't know if that makes sense. But also remember, after a hell of a lot of tress get burnt and/or cut down...

1. The undergrowth flourishes; and
2. There is alot more grazing area along the Amazon for McDonalds Beef Cattle.

Just relax... be yourself, and keep a fire extinquisher within arms reach every date.

Sue, Don't be a Silly girl, of course there are great guys out there. However, It might not hurt to only give 50% for starters next time and try holding them to your standards instead of vice-versa. You can always give more as you see the relationship going forward and if it doesn't you won't feel so hurt. Guys don't mean to be Toads, some just are and will never have Prince Qualities, Love is being able to see these qualities through the frog(hehehe)

I agree with Bigbear...Don't lose hope!
The best gifts are the ones that are'nt expected

Sue,
Sure there's honest men in here/out there, just like there are honest females. I don't think gender has much to do with it.
As to you "giving up"; Well, I hate to see anyone do that. If you give up, then no one, not even the honest person, has a chance with you. So you hang in there and remember ya gotta kiss a lot of toads before ya find a prince.