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Posted on Mon, Feb 11, 2008 23:39

Take a good look at yourself. All truths are within you. To look for truth outside yourself is to search for water outside of the ocean. by Master Seongcheol (1912-1993) -- I've met genuine people, some of them became friends. Few of them would be long-lasting friends. The problem one of them is missing parts that I expect to be the real friend. I became to think "Am I be a perfect friend to them?" Woops!! I keep trying and I will do to be their friend. "The butterfly effect" is mind bugging concept in Chaos theory. A flap of a butterfly wings could cause a storm. Let's take a good look at ourselves before we blame against others. To change the hectic world, one should change oneself first to better being. Nowadays, so many people prefer to be animal of desires. This simple view explains their behaviors. I never thought about playing piano. Well, it has passed two months already since started learning piano. I like it. It's handy, fun, less limitation of weather or traffic cops. Also, it's very cheap! Isolation can easily destroy most human beings. That's why there are huge drug addicts, the number increases. Some folks call even "Drug epidemic" Why? more and more individuals are connected by various devices: TV, Radio, cell phones, Internet, now wireless internet. At any moment one can connect to another, then how they feel lonely, turn into drug? The loneliness surrounded by millions is worst nightmare than being alone on a remote island. Systemic failure. I say. The education and religion turn the innocent child into a grown-up slave who has multiple layers over oneself without knowing true identity. The poor soul keeps asking "Who am I?", "What's inside of me?" Then, "Who is this?" or "Who is it?" Watching thousands of movies Listening tons of musics Reading hundreds of books Would help? Until one look at oneself with true eyes, all those actions lead to one or another illusion. Take a good look at oneself. But, how? Have a solitary moment once a day. Just let the mind flow while closing the eyes. It's good idea to visit meditation center or place near you for getting help of being alone. One day an enlightenment will strike you. The one of moments of truth which lead to true oneself eventually as times go by. Then, "who is it?" or "Who am I?" become minor. Just a big smile, "Why should I bother? Now I have things to do for joy."


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Posted on Mon, Feb 18, 2008 03:03

Lets just get out of ourselves and our internal dwelling space and do sonething. The seed starts with you. I once was working in very rough situation violence, drugs, alcohol etc. Although I was working I opened up my room to be asafe quiet haven and place of relaxation and meditation and prayer for i hour every night for who ever wanted to drop by. From a few it grew and may i tell you not only did it change the relationships and help people and create a small community a few miracles happened as well. Lets not get too into ourselves and aesthetic to be of no worldy use. and usually the people takign themselves apr ar not the ones who need to do it. Too mnay good people with slight imperfections are takign themselves apart thinking that will change the world or chnage the bad guy. it doesn't The bad guy doesn't change just becasue you have tied to be nicer. and you can end up one of these insipid people who is too wishy washy to do anything. They are almost a mist of a person in front of your eyes. No substance becasue they got rid of it thinking it was a problem. its liek getting rid of your foundations inorder to be safer - doesn't work. Like a hole on jumper you can either keep picking at it and taking it apart until there is no jumper left or you can quickly patch it up get up and get on with the rest of your life and what really needs doing. XXXjunie


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Posted on Fri, Feb 15, 2008 12:06

Hey Penguin, I just have to ask...not trying to be a goof here...but I am from Canada too and I have never heard of NA NA Canada? Maybe I missed something...?


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Posted on Fri, Feb 15, 2008 04:24

dont care what i look like.... but how i look to others...and not in the physical sence


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Posted on Fri, Feb 15, 2008 02:55

Quoting yellowpenguin:
Quoting: Originally posted by Junie2006 The west was originally biutl on the values of reason and man's ability to overcome his problems and adversity and change his home, relationships, community and environment for the better. that's why we became an advanced civilisationm industrialised, modern and moved forward in our thought social values and rights for the common man. We made an eneny of an supersition, prejudice or pretensious thinking which set itself up as intelligence. Manwhile the people of the east when they ahd a problem they all went "OM" and blamed it on Karma and their predestined inability to change their society or their lot. I know who i am for and which side I am for. All this New Age Modern Wishy washy thinking is just Bullshit which reassures us and keeps us as children and tells us we cannot do anything when our whole history shows that we can and have. Get out of yourself more get into your community and world and do something REAL!! June
Advanced civilization? You live in your own world. How many people have got killed since the westerners became the dominant class on planet Earth? They were the invaders and killers. The history tells. The newcomers on North America killed 20 million native Indians. If there is a measurement of civilization by the degree of destruction, modern civilization is by far primitive. I do agree the westerners unleash the shadow of religion also basic human rights and humanity. Well, the tragedy is it was too early to get that power. When we gonna stop killing each other? After wiped out 90% human races on planet Earth? Politicians we elect and give them the mighty power, are nothing but the slaves of desires. When I was naive, I thought War is okay if the government or race has big reason for it. Then, I can kill a person or many should be fine. Individual killing is a criminal big time. Mass killing is welcomed. Why is that?

Man's nature will always be the same where ever he is and he will work his evil way into whatever philosphy theology or ideology which is going. I think I rememebr doing a exam essay in sociology entitled "Man Advances Technologically but his moral nature remains the same." No matter if you have Christianity, Bhudism, Confusionism, etc in all cultures man's basic nature has been quite wicked. Torture and Spanish inquisition, Bride burning and honor killings and the killing of female children in the east and the great civilisations of China and japan with all their philosophy and medicine had foot binding, infanticide, murder of lower peasants and the values of japanese shinto where there was no mercy for captured prisoners. No one has a vaulted place to crow. But people have changed the situation and circumstances when they believe they could. and anything that takes away that belief disables a man and his possibilites even more than the situation or problem. If i hear one more time how child abuse and child sexual abuse is part of some great plan of God or karma the next person will get punched and i will just blame it on the Karma. What i am saying is that i hate the modern !passive" approach to all our problems and all this eternal internal soul searching for restoring problems which are not really a problem - relationships always bump and grind and will never be smooth - and finding spiritual resons for common problems which would be changed with a bit of intelligence. These self searching soul ideas just end up with some self proclaimed prophet in the middle of the desert cut off from life and eventually urging his followers to mass murder or suicide Often we are not struggling with great problems or real challenges but with the problems with "petty egos" and small minded, short sighted individuals - and asking them to contemplet themselves and develop themselves just makes them worse and more "ego centric." A lot of karma and modern ideas sek to find meaning and eternal reason in basic problems and bad behaviour. As a feminist - and I am not ashamed of the word we used to be rpoactive in addressing the imbqlance and abuse of women and children. Now chidl abuse is escalating and we are all asked to accept it as Karma and it will be sorted out in the next life LOAD OF BOLLOCKS. Teaches people to be passive and accept the unacceptable. Yep i am for a pro-active mentality not a passive mentality. My grandmother was taught to accept her lot, her position in life and not get above her "station" or the fabric of sociaety would collapse. She was terrified when the next generation went into education and getting qualifications and my generation chose to go even higher and continue to change things. I AM REALLY ANGRY THAT WE ARE MAKING A PASSIVE GENERATION WHILE OTHERS (with respect to the poltics) are active in their values and beliefs and we ( who wished to improve life) are losing ground to the Karma - Ashram Meditation Brigade. Yep our West and currnt values and rights were won by past generations who got active now we are all passive sitting on our bums and watching crap TV. Meditation is only a way o taking a break it is not a way of changing the world or your problems or you relationships. It seems the only advice to anyone in a down position is to accept it and "sit this one out" til a better life comes along. Makes me bloody angry. june


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Posted on Thu, Feb 14, 2008 07:05

Quoting Junie2006: The west was originally biutl on the values of reason and man's ability to overcome his problems and adversity and change his home, relationships, community and environment for the better. that's why we became an advanced civilisationm industrialised, modern and moved forward in our thought social values and rights for the common man. We made an eneny of an supersition, prejudice or pretensious thinking which set itself up as intelligence. Manwhile the people of the east when they ahd a problem they all went "OM" and blamed it on Karma and their predestined inability to change their society or their lot. I know who i am for and which side I am for. All this New Age Modern Wishy washy thinking is just Bullshit which reassures us and keeps us as children and tells us we cannot do anything when our whole history shows that we can and have. Get out of yourself more get into your community and world and do something REAL!! June

Advanced civilization? You live in your own world. How many people have got killed since the westerners became the dominant class on planet Earth? They were the invaders and killers. The history tells. The newcomers on North America killed 20 million native Indians. If there is a measurement of civilization by the degree of destruction, modern civilization is by far primitive. I do agree the westerners unleash the shadow of religion also basic human rights and humanity. Well, the tragedy is it was too early to get that power. When we gonna stop killing each other? After wiped out 90% human races on planet Earth? Politicians we elect and give them the mighty power, are nothing but the slaves of desires. When I was naive, I thought War is okay if the government or race has big reason for it. Then, I can kill a person or many should be fine. Individual killing is a criminal big time. Mass killing is welcomed. Why is that?


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Posted on Wed, Feb 13, 2008 07:52

All agree that Meditation losses it's Value if, the Lessons and experiences of sitting are not integrated into our Day to Day Lifes... To me all at last return, Yet to me neither men nor angels May draw nigh, For I am known only to myself. Ever the same is mine inmost being; Absolutely one, complete, whole, perfect; Always itself; Eternal, infinite, ultimate; Formless, indivisible, changeless. Of all existences I am the source, The continuation, and the end. I am the germ, I am the growth, I am the decay. All things and creatures I send forth; I support them while yet they stand without; And when the dream of separation ends, I cause their return unto myself. I am the Life, And the Wheel of the Law, And the Way that leadeth to the Beyond. There is none else. I am the Fire of Mind Which divideth itself Into the Superior and Inferior natures, And putteth on a robe of flesh To come down. I am the vital principle of all that is. Nothing is that does not live. And of that life I am the source. As it is written: "First the stone, Then the plant, Then the animal, And then the man." "Thoughts Become Things, Choose The Good ONes" ;)


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Posted on Wed, Feb 13, 2008 02:01

The west was originally biutl on the values of reason and man's ability to overcome his problems and adversity and change his home, relationships, community and environment for the better. that's why we became an advanced civilisationm industrialised, modern and moved forward in our thought social values and rights for the common man. We made an eneny of an supersition, prejudice or pretensious thinking which set itself up as intelligence. Manwhile the people of the east when they ahd a problem they all went "OM" and blamed it on Karma and their predestined inability to change their society or their lot. I know who i am for and which side I am for. All this New Age Modern Wishy washy thinking is just Bullshit which reassures us and keeps us as children and tells us we cannot do anything when our whole history shows that we can and have. Get out of yourself more get into your community and world and do something REAL!! June


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Posted on Tue, Feb 12, 2008 22:39

Yeah. After all, everything comes to oneself. That's bottom line. Do you know how to meditate? It takes time and hard to get used to it. But, once you make it part of daily activities, it rocks.


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Posted on Tue, Feb 12, 2008 20:05

WoW. That's is some heavy stuff YP. Not knocking you... just saying...it's some way out there stuff...

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