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Posted on Wed, Sep 19, 2007 14:39

Today, the GOPs in the US Senate filibuster a bill that would return habeas corpus rights to "terrorism suspects". For those who may not know, a filibuster means that the senate body will not allow a vote on a pending bill. The US courts have stated that the Shrub's removal of Habeas Corpus is unconstitutional. Just to remind people the following words from the United State pledge of Allegiance: "I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, indivisible, With Liberty and Justice for all." Funny, but it seems 'justice for all' is no longer valid. Who stated, "they [the terrorist] hate US for are freedoms"? Remember that lie? Here is the real issue: why shouldn't anyone who is arrested/detained be notified of the reason(s) of their detainment, and why should not they be allowed civil or military court proceeding(s)? I'm sure many at this site can 'relate' to being arrested. So, how would you like it if you were held indefinitely without being given the right to have your arrest and detainment contested in a court of law? Bye bye to Justice for all eh? You got to love the GOP verson of the US constitution.


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Posted on Mon, Sep 24, 2007 15:39

Freedom's just another word for nothin' left to lose. Nothin' ain't worth nothin' but it's free. - - - Kris Kristofferson, "Me and Bobby McGee"


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Posted on Sun, Sep 23, 2007 02:36

L2R The majority of Muslims are middle ground modern and intelligent. Thing is their countries are led by the clerics where ours have state and church separate. Their attitude is like the catholic church the clerics word is LAW and like the Pope's infalibility. They have no freedom of belief. It is very tight as to obedience and compliance and persecutes like some medieval protestant/catholic war. Some of the opposition is to our beliefs. Much is an opposition to having another foreign culture imposed on them. They have their problems, as a professional we have domestic abuse and child abuse and rape coming over the doorstep Also abuse of boys by the clerics. But in their culture if a boy is abused if he tells anyone he is executed with his sexual abusers. So a lot goes on same as any where else. They are horrified at our sexual promiscuity and porn industry and alcohol are angry that our troops took this stuff into their country and that our troops lack of understanding of muslim women's honour can mean her death by suicide if she is dishonoured. They are a different culture and we have to respect going into anyone else's house. There are moderates and egalitarians but as the clerics are omnipotent until that is separate from state muslims will be pushed to accept and obey their teaching. Doc last night on the persecution of muslims converting to christianity in England. A poll showed that the majority of young muslims supported killing apostates. and they are shunned from their family. The clerics were asked to make a public statement saying killing apostates was wrong. Not one muslim cleric offered to do so. With such values we have no meeting in a egalitarian free society if they don't support a person's rights but would murder. But i don't think they envy us they want us to become like them. Yuck making love to ugly hairy men who smell of last nights curry. OOOOPS bit like some bikers i know J


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Posted on Sun, Sep 23, 2007 01:54

Re: Hey Inmate, Maybe you should put a sick call slip in to your block CO for a psych eval and eye exam. I didn't write this blaa blaa blaa comment. BTW: I don't do drugs or alcohol. I do spring water and Excederin. justyforya write: Re: symbiotic write: blah blah blah Maybe you should take a break from the drugs. It appears your count of living brain cells is very low.



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Posted on Sat, Sep 22, 2007 12:33

Red, I stay informed. I watch both sessions of Congress - the House of Representatives and the Senate. I look over important votes by Congress. I send Emails to House members and Senators who are on the fence about the occupation. It's usually a waste of time to send Emails to senators like Sessions, a GOP from Alabama, but on occasions when OUR representatives something incredibly stupid or state lies, I will shoot off an Email to them to point out their foolishness. I talk to the younger generation. Some of the things they tell me would shock the Hell out of you, such as - the majority of them would run off to Canada if a draft was instituted. I talk with Iraqi Vets. And again, some of the things they tell would shock the Hell out of you. On occasion go down the Federal Building and get my pictures taken while yelling, "four or five deployments are enough. Mission Accomplished".


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Posted on Fri, Sep 21, 2007 19:22

Just so you know...alberto Gonzales was Attorney general until recently. Also...consider the following Theres a long history in this country of suspending civil liberties in time of war. Lincoln during the civil war. Wilson during the first world war Roosevelt during the Second. In fact Roosevelt signed an executive order relocation people of Japanese descent to Camps. just a thought.


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Posted on Fri, Sep 21, 2007 07:15

You are correct about one thing TTT. I'm tried of all the negative BS people reply back to me. So, I will not give them the pleasure of my response. If people wish to reply back with questions, point of facts, or real discussion I will reply back. Otherwise don't expect a response. His comment on another Blog. Must be short term memory loss. Hey Puff can I get a ruling here Bro?


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Posted on Fri, Sep 21, 2007 03:39

My only comment will be a question for you Justy...nothing inflammatory or demeaning or angry.......if the present administration and policies and the Republican party in general are so distasteful to you....what are you doing to change that situation....writing Congress, working for a new potential presidential candidate, picketing the statehouse and the Capitol....working with your state senators and representatives, forming a coalition to work together....or just writing on a blog


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Posted on Fri, Sep 21, 2007 01:05

Some of you might know of the CATO Institute. It is well known in right wing circles. Here is a CATO posting dated- June 20, 2002 "... The Bush administration has now asserted that (a) citizens can be taken into custody as enemy combatants; (b) that, beyond such battlefield detainees, citizens can also be taken off the streets of any American town; and (c) that civilian courts cannot intervene to inquire into the legality of such arrests and detentions. When these propositions are taken together as a whole, the implications are very disturbing. The bottom line is that President Bush and Attorney General Ashcroft are attempting to suspend the 'Great Writ' of habeas corpus, which allows Americans to get into a court of law to challenge the legality of their arrest and to have their liberty restored if the court agrees that the arrest was unlawful. Without judicial review, the police can arrest people without warrants and jail people without trials. The controversial 'military order' that Bush issued last November has, in effect, now been extended to American citizens--and the writ of habeas corpus is now under assault. President Bush seems to believe that his commander-in-chief power gives him the authority to ignore every other part of the Constitution when he deems it necessary. The president is profoundly mistaken about that -- and the judiciary should resist this power grab." Written by Lynch. His brief, "Breaking the Vicious Cycle: Preserving Our Liberties While Fighting Terrorism." can be found at the Cato Institution. You people need to understand what is happening. Perhaps progressives like me will be subjected to rendering but, who's to say which/what future groups will be determined terrorist. Perhaps the next so-called terrorist will be outlaw bikers... You'll have lots of guns don't you?


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Posted on Fri, Sep 21, 2007 00:32

Re: loves2rde write: this is international law. they don't follow our Constitution...they hate it. so why would they complain about something they think is wrong? seems to me you enjoy alot of rights, yet do nothing to support them.

You don't really believe that they hate our freedoms stuff do you? OK, I will not be nasty to you cuz I think you are trying. Seems to me you don't know what I do to support rights and freedoms and I don't believe you ever will.


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Posted on Fri, Sep 21, 2007 00:28

Re: ysgeye write: "They must find it difficult ... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority." G. Massey, Egyptologist

I could not have stated it better!


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Posted on Fri, Sep 21, 2007 00:27

Re: symbiotic write: blah blah blah

Maybe you should take a break from the drugs. It appears your count of living brain cells is very low.


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Posted on Thu, Sep 20, 2007 18:00

Re: deepinthesticks write: blah blah blah

Hey dude, time to check your tin-foil hat. I think it's on too tight and is squeezing off the blood flow to your brain. So what does your raving have to do with Habeas Corpus and Military or Civilian trials?


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Posted on Thu, Sep 20, 2007 17:54

Again you people are missing the point. The issue is having a trial, whether military or civilian. And, Glideman I mean a FAIR Trial. The majority of you don't even know the facts about the majority of the detainees. Yet you can reply back with your ignorant opinions.


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Posted on Thu, Sep 20, 2007 17:48

Privateer.. Correct, that was the original purpose of the filibuster, but what is it now? The GOP are now using the filibuster to TABLE resolutions so a vote will not occur. The GOP in the Senate have filibuster about 40 different resolution since 2005. Remember the Supreme court nomination in 2003 or 2002 and the Dems threat of not allowing a vote by filibuster? The corporate control media was raving about just let them vote and the GOP threaten to change the cloture vote to 51. It sounds like you - Privateer - have serious issues about demanding a GOP vote on important legislation. GOP - party of chick-hawks. Let them vote and let the people see who supports Habeas Corpus and Military or Civilian trials.


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Posted on Thu, Sep 20, 2007 13:58

This attorney is whining. She should just present the petition. Even she says she can, she just hasn't. So that is Bush's fault? Nope. It's hers. And Bush never said terrorism suspect, he declared the guy an enemy combatant. So this bill you brought up has nothing to do with enemy combatants or this guy. And for the record, habeas corpus is for U.S. citizens, not non-citizens. From another section of the article: "There is at present no constitutionally-approved definition of who is an 'enemy combatant'; there are no constitutionally-approved procedures governing when and how persons seized in the United States may be imprisoned as 'enemy combatants' or for how long . . . You want something fixed, fix that.


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Posted on Thu, Sep 20, 2007 13:54

In this case, no one is stopping the attorney from presenting habeas corpus, they just are not letting the attorney talk to her client. Waah. Here's the relevant part of the story: "This case involves an unprecedented detention by the United States of an American citizen, seized on American soil, and held incommunicado for more than a year without any charge being filed against him, without any access to counsel, and without any right to challenge the basis of his detention before a United States judge or magistrate . . . On May 8, 2002, Jose Padilla, unarmed and showing valid identification, was arrested at Chicago's O'Hare Airport by the FBI while getting off a plane. As his court-appointed lawyer, Donna Newman?who has shown herself to be truly a credit to the bar?told Judge Andrew Napolitano on the Fox News Channel: "What they allege is that he had some 'loose talk.' That's their words, not mine, that he was planning, not a plan exactly, just loose talk about detonating a dirty bomb. Not him personally because, of course, he had . . . not even a pamphlet about bomb making when he was seized in the United States." Padilla was not charged with a crime, or with planning a crime. He was held as a material witness in a high-security prison in Manhattan. But suddenly, without Padilla's lawyer being informed, Padilla was hauled away by the Defense Department to a military brig in North Carolina where, in solitary confinement, he remains. Habeas corpus, embedded in the body of the Constitution, even before the Bill of Rights was added, provides a citizen held by the government with the right to go to a court and make the government prove he or she is being imprisoned legally. As Donna Newman, impeded from her right to represent her client meaningfully, says: "To have the government say to us, 'You have a right to bring a petition [for habeas corpus], [but] you just can't speak to your client.' [That] is absolutely absurd."


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Posted on Thu, Sep 20, 2007 12:09

Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores on September 11, 2001? Were some 3,000 innocent civilians not brutally murdered that day in NYC, in our nation's capitol and in a field in Pennsylvania? Did they die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they? And I'm supposed to care that a copy of the Koran was 'desecrated' when an overworked American soldier kicked it or got it wet? I don't. I don't care at all. I'll care about the Koran when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible, the mere possession of which is a crime in Saudi Arabia. I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat. I'll care when the cowardly so-called 'insurgents' in Iraq come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques. I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs. I'll care when the American media stops pretending that their First Amendment liberties are somehow derived from international law instead of the United States Constitution's Bill of Rights. In the meantime, when I hear a story about a brave marine roughing up an Iraqi terrorist to obtain information, know this: I don't care. When I see a fuzzy photo of a pile of naked Iraqi prisoners who have been humiliated in what amounts to a college-hazing incident, rest assured: I don't care. When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take it to the bank: I don't care. When I hear that a prisoner, who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and fed special food that is paid for by my tax dollars, is complaining that his holy book is being 'mishandled,' do you think I care?


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Posted on Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:46

There are conducts of war. We have people that violate them as well as other countries. But if a combatant knowingly kills women and children that are not part of the opposing force they should have no rights. Let God sort them out. If someone is willing to sacrifice their own life to take anothers they are near impossible to stop.


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Posted on Thu, Sep 20, 2007 11:34

"They must find it difficult ... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority." G. Massey, Egyptologist


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