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Posted on Wed, Jun 13, 2007 19:18

Bill Bill Bill, Where do I begin? Is this how you debate? 1) "This is not only a war it's a clash of civilizations...But the main reason they hate us is because all Americans are free". Wow! And you know this because/how? Let me guess, Druggie-Limp-Dick Rush, or was it Sean Heil Hannity? Yeah right "they hate us for our freedoms". Would you like to cite any Al Qaeda or Islamic website, newspaper article, or any other Muslim source to back up your 'opinion'? I would love to see that. 2) Berg...Ah yes, I had a few unanswered questions about Berg. Where do I begin? How about the known facts? That is always a good start. Berg arrived in Iraq for the first time in December 2003. In mid March, Berg was held by the U.S. military in the northern city of Mosul for no apparent reason, prompting his father to file a lawsuit in a federal court in Philadelphia, (British daily The Independent). He was released by the Americans on April 6 and disappeared around April 9 in unknown circumstances. His father Michael lashed out at the U.S. military and the Bush administration saying his son might still be alive had he not been detained by U.S. officials in Iraq. Berg was held without being charged and without access to a lawyer. My questions, so why was Berg held by the US military and how many or which Iraqis had access to Berg, his ID and resides in Baghdad? There are lots of unanswered questions about that. I imagine in your mind if a small group of so-called Muslims torture and murder Berg they all should pay. My only question to you is all 2 billion Muslims, or perhaps just the 19 million Muslims in Iraq? Good logic Billy. Have you read the what the Islamic Committee stated about the murder of Berg? I bet you haven't. Let me clue you in. Dr Muthana Harith al-Dhari, Secretary General of Muslim Scholars Association, strongly denounced the killing, saying it runs counter to the teachings of Islam and "does disservice to our religion and our cause." The Sunni scholar stressed this is a condemned operation whether carried out by Iraqis or non-Iraqis and whether the slain was a civilian or a military personnel. "Even if he was a military personnel he should be treated as a prisoner who, according to Shari'ah, must not be killed". Deputy Head of the Islamic Party Iyaad Samarrai said the abhorrent treatment of Iraqi prisoners by U.S. soldiers should never give an excuse for treating U.S. prisoners the same way. Samarrai said such acts harm the interest of the Iraqi people and their cause to end the U.S.-led occupation. Al-Dawa Party, led by Shiite Interim Governing Council member Ibrahim Al-Jafari, also condemned the decapitation of the American citizen in the strongest possible terms. "Undoubtedly, we reject these acts, which run counter to the true essence of Islam and are totally unjustified", said Jawad Al-Malki, a member of the party's politburo. He said such acts tarnish the image of Islam and play into the hands of subjective media. "The beheading of Berg is shocking, grisly, unjustified violence and an act of terrorism. By the same token, we condemn the barbaric and terrorist practices of U.S. soldiers against Iraqi prisoners, but as we don't want this to befall our people, we don't want it to befall others as well". Learn anything Bill? 3) Billy those so-called Iraqi women rights have been curtailed ever since the illegal US invasion. Perhaps you need to do a bit more reading one that one. 4) I like this one, "You are from the crowd of the Blame America first group". Nope, I in the blame Bush, the Neocons, the 2002/2003 GOP controlled Senate and House of Representatives, the US corporate controlled media for not asking the hard questions, and people just like you for not looking for the truth and who are currently perpetuating the lies under the clock of patriotism or the flag, and who are spinning right-wing bull shit. 5) I love this load of crap, "America isn't perfect and we have made mistakes in our past...It makes this country better because we have the God given right to make right our wrongs". Wow, a God given right? So how do you make right all the Iraqis who died because of our actions? How do you make right all the US GIs murdered for an oil war based on lies? How do you make right all the US GIs who will live the rest of their life crippled? It would be interesting to see how you weasel out a justification for those issues. I bet you can't. 6) I love your WWII analogy. Yeah, we invaded Iraq and now you compare our actions to events in WWII. I would stop drinking the right-wing Kool-Aid and be very careful with that analogy. Perhaps you missed this little charm of a news article: President Vladimir Putin of Russia obliquely compared the foreign policy of the United States to the Third Reich in a speech Wednesday commemorating the 62nd anniversary of the defeat of Nazi Germany, in an apparent escalation of anti-American rhetoric within the Russian government (International Herald Tribune May 9, 2007). 7) "When war hits we fight to end tyranny. We help to stabilize the country". Yeah, I see your Idiot and Chief is doing a wonderful job in Iraq, and now the Shrub and the Neocons want to take the fight to Iran. Wonderful... 8) I'm confused on this one Bill, "We have the statue of Liberty standing tall in New York harbor. It was a gift from the French". Don't you Neocon and Shrub supporters hate the French? Oh a flippy-floppy eh? Bill now since you gave me some advise about how I should spend my free time, I will offer you some advise. Here is the address of the VA Hospital in Sacramento, 10535 Hospital Way, Mather, CA 95655 We can always use the help of a clear thinking American like you. Why do you get off your ass and volunteer? Now any time you wish to really debate the issue I presented or have presented in a past Blog you come back here and I will be happy to discuss them with you. Here are the current topics: 1) Why did bush ignore all the 911 warnings? 2) Why are we fighting in the middle of a civil war? Remember Bush stated Ameria will leave if Iraq fell into a civil war? So why are we there? Note, last poll of Iraqi Nationals stated over 80% of them want the US out. 3) Why hasn't Bush gone into Pakistan and stop Al Qaeda and Taliban insurgents there? 4) Why hasn't Bush got the Master Mind of 911 (Bin Laden)? 5) Why was daddy Bush watching 911 happen with the brother of Bin Laden? 6) Why did Bush allow all the Bin Ladens to leave the US after 911 without being questioned by the FBI and over the objections of the FBI? 7) Why did the Bush administration out a CIA WMD spy? Her assignment was Iran. Now all her Iranian contacts are dead or MIA. So now where is the Chimp getting the Iran WMD Intel? I bet he is pulling it out of his ass like the 'Saddam's immediate threat to America'. Remember that lie? 8) Why did Bush state he would fire anyone who outted Plames the CIA WDM spy, and then quietly stopped the investigation? I leave you with the words of Jefferson to Madison, "And say, finally, whether peace is best preserved by giving energy to the government, or information to the people. This last is the most certain, and the most legitimate engine of government. Educate and inform the whole mass of the people. Enable them to see that it is their interest to preserve peace and order, and they will preserve them. They are the only sure reliance for the preservation of our liberty." You see Billy, the Bushtards and Neocons love people that don't question their mandates. Until you are ready to come back and debate any of the above issues please keep your bull shit off my blog. I don't need a lesson in patriotism, but I really believe you do!


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Posted on Sat, Jun 23, 2007 12:19

Re: Heretic write: still don't want to touch the points from my previous post do you?....Care to explain why?

What point, that Hillary Clinton is a whore to big money? You will not get much of a debate from me on that issue. That Hillary changes which ever way the wind blows? No debating that one either. That Hillary is one of the last Dems I would trust? Yep. You see liberals can independently research, form an opinion, back up their opinion(s) with facts and admit to the truth. That is the major difference between you and me. I look for the truth and stand by it. You Heretic [I'm sorry to say] are just a Bush and GOP apologist. I'm also sorry to said that the remaining GOPs are GOP first and Americans only when they can turn a buck. I read last week that another GOP has jumped the party's ship.


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Posted on Wed, Jun 20, 2007 00:45

still don't want to touch the points from my previous post do you?....Care to explain why?


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Posted on Fri, Jun 15, 2007 11:25

Re: Heretic write: and T, He will never do anything but talk big. He does not have what it takes to do anything but use other people's propaganda to stir trouble. He cannot even think for himself. He has to use the opinions of others as his own. NOTHING he has posted has shown any indication of original thought

Heretic, Is this the all important Debate that you were crying about? You blogged that you didn't have any say so, so I unblocked you. I sincerely hope that isn't it. Heretic, I kind-of figured you were 'not all there in the head' when you posted the private emails you recieved from HarleyChick. I image you did so you might prove what a great guy you are. This reply of yours only adds to that 'not all there in the head' premise. I will leave you unblock so you may have an opportunity to show the world what a wonderful guy you really are although, I probably will not response back to any of your post since I really have better things to do with my time.


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Posted on Fri, Jun 15, 2007 11:07

Bill, Yep, I knew you would not be able to address one issue I raised. And no, I don't blog this stuff to get laid. I think you forgot the commie, traitor, socialist and whatever other labels clear thinking patriots like you have.... Have a nice day dude


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Posted on Fri, Jun 15, 2007 11:05

TTT, It's amazing that now you are spinning off my original premise that Women had more rights in Iraq [under Saddam] than they current have. You have not posted one RECENT article about current conditions for women in Iraq. Remember this is 2007. But you spin it off that Iraq is now in a war now so of course Women don't have the rights they once had. I would call it an occupation and the logical conclusion of why Iraqi women no longer have the same rights they enjoyed under Saddam is because of the hard right Shiite government. Perhaps you are in denial. Any one can Google "2007 women right iraq" and read the truth. Perhaps you know the truth and don't want to admit it. Perhaps you believe US Vets can't handle the truth, and it would be better to cast a noble reason of why we invaded and are currently occupying Iraq. I believe each military man or women who is putting their life and/or physical and mental health on the line deserves to know the truth of why they are there. America deserves the truth. Regardless of your reasons or justifications, you may believe what ever you want, but you need to reflect on a few facts. Remember back in 2001 and 2002 when the media reported that Saddam was responsible for 911, and how did the media come up with that one? Only 4 months ago, Cheney was still lying that Saddam had Al Qaeda connections [even after every US and Military Intel agency stated that Saddam had no connections to Bin Laden and Al Qaeda. This administration continued to beat the drum that Saddam was an imminent threat to the US. Remember Rice stating to the US Senate that Saddam had chemical drones that could reach the east coast of America? UN inspectors were in Iraq immediately before the invasion. Yet, about 2 months ago, Bush again stated that we invaded Iraq because UN inspectors were not in Iraq and that we were justification for invasion. Blix repeatedly ask Bush where Saddam's WDMs were? The only response from Bush was, just before the invasion, to order the UN inspectors out of Iraq. Google "Blix January 21, 2003". The reasons why the average Jill and Joe thought we invaded Iraq. 1) Saddam was responsible for 911. 2) Saddam had WDMs 3) Saddam didn't allow UN inspectors BACK into Iraq. 4) Saddam was an imminent threat to the US. It was only after the invasion and all the above justifications were proven false that the "Demo on the march BS" came about. I believe if Bush came to Americans and stated we were going into Iraq and spend countless lifes of American men and women in an unending occupation [which the current estimated costs is over 2 trillion dollars] Americans would have told Bush to go to Hell. Bush stated that Iraqi oil would pay for the invasion and we would be out in 3 to 6 months. So why did he immediately start building the perm Mil bases? Nope, except for calling people idiots, I have not lied once. Now, I will ask your question back to you. If you learned that what you believed was all a lie, what would you do? I think you are answering that question now. You are in denial. Yeah, the truth sucks, and this is the hardest audience to present these facts to. I would say 6 out of 7 people here don't want to believe this stuff. Their are many that will say or do anything to justify that we are in the right even if, in their hearts they know we aren't. There might be a few that just don't give a Damn or love the profits they are making during this planned endless war on terror. I could see where the money could have been made. You can go back and read some of my old blogs stating the companies that will reap heavy profits on this invasion and occupation. I could have invested in these companies (just like CA Senator Diana Feinstein) and made lots and lots of money, but I believe [not like some at this site who claim to be Christians] I believe in the teaching of Jesus. To answer your question: California State University at Sacramento HRS145 Introduction to Islamic Cultures Professor - Dr Erin Stilies Grade received - B+ And that is important because?


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Posted on Thu, Jun 14, 2007 23:24

for justalotofBS 1 What Madrass do you attend? 2 Are you a paying member of Cair the council on american-arab relations? 3 Are you really Bin Laden? 4 Do you really believe every thing you read? 5 Are you as brainwashed as you appear to be? 6 You actually think politcal blogs will get you laid on a dating site? 7 I have no interest to debate you since you are a rude self rightous holier than thou S.O.B 8 I have neither the interest or inclination to read anymore of your B.S. or comment on anything else you may or not say. Take care and have a nice day

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Posted on Thu, Jun 14, 2007 19:23

I remember that very well Heretic and I agree with you wholeheartedly. Hey, nice pic Demo.


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Posted on Thu, Jun 14, 2007 16:17

LMAOOOOOOOO Springer!


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Posted on Thu, Jun 14, 2007 05:57

All I hear is alot of Blah Blah Blah..Justy no one comes here for this heavy political crap, its more of BS thing. Wasnt going to add my 2 cents..but if everyone would just ignore his boring and hateful blogs he might just fade away...


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Posted on Thu, Jun 14, 2007 00:58

and T, He will never do anything but talk big. He does not have what it takes to do anything but use other people's propaganda to stir trouble. He cannot even think for himself. He has to use the opinions of others as his own. NOTHING he has posted has shown any indication of original thought


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Posted on Thu, Jun 14, 2007 00:53

Re:It is easy to turn away from hilary clinton when she has proven that she will put her own greedy desires above that of the people she represents There is NO honor in a woman wishes to represent the peoiple but will not even acknoledge the voters who have given the most (namely the mothers who have given their children) If you were a parent you would understand this Then the questionable financing of her new home. HILARY CLINTON IS A COMMON CROOK!. That makes her simple to turn away from justyforya write: TTT, I saw how you turned away from Hillary Clinton [on Heretic's Blog] when she stated the truth. Now ask yourself, why would Hillary state that about Iraqi women rights when she is running for office if it wasn't true. Don't you think she is smart enough to know that if she lied about something as important as that people would be turned against her just like you did? You asked me where my loyalties are, so again I state them for you: 1) Truth 2) Justice 3) The US Constitution



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Posted on Thu, Jun 14, 2007 00:21

If you are blocking DD and Heretic you have serious problems. As both are well loved men of integrity on this site whether or not people agree with them. And starting Bill Bill Bill. Ever heard of Condescending and Patronising? I know all the politics and what America does and has done. Know that 80,000 women and children have been taken and exported to camps in American friendly countries to be tortured. Also knwot eh CIA handbook describes how to torture womena in front of their children and mothers infront of their children, Including rape. Yes I know it all. channel4ondemand Despatches "Kidnapped To Order" And of course I can also add teh collusion of Britain and the Ulster police with the UDA to kill and troture catholics. My point is. What is your point? Raising this all on here. If you want people to be concerned and get involved and pit pressure on their govt to change and move things forward. Why antagonise people? Just remind them to kep the pressure on their representative and point them to places where they can find information. Not just copy it block verbatim. Yes we are not FREE in the west. it is just an illusion as long as you are happy in your own little consumerist backyard. But attacking people wont help your view or cause. I am building a cause at teh moment. But I know if I alienate the people who are at teh top and can change things I will lose. So I am writing my pieces and website as if I am working with them and we are "working together" to go in the same direction and improve things. We are not. But if I openly said otherwise it would publically break what I am doing. And I would cause such sht it would not land for years. Need to read about propganda and PR.


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Posted on Wed, Jun 13, 2007 23:47

Re: justyforya write: How did you get un block DD? Oh well I will try again.....

Cause im Da Boogie Man...Guess im Not as Dumb and Your NOT as Smart as you Think?


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Posted on Wed, Jun 13, 2007 23:43

lmao...


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Posted on Wed, Jun 13, 2007 23:40

Re: justyforya write: How did you get un block DD? Oh well I will try again.....

He He He i guess You cant Block Quote's Justy......BOO


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Posted on Wed, Jun 13, 2007 23:13

Geez Justy, get a friggin life dude! Go for a ride, get laid, take some downers. Step away from the newpapers, internet, and any other news source. You got your nose way to far up into this shit.


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Posted on Wed, Jun 13, 2007 23:10

Again I ask you Justy, why isn't it a lie if you believe it and it is a lie if someone you oppose believes it. The best liars are the smart ones. She has been caught lying in the past. You still will not answer any of my questions. I ask about your class, you school. You won't answer. I ask the question above. Why it isn't a lie if YOU believe it. I ask why you won't even entertain the thought that maybe some of what you read is untrue. You do not answer. I ask with whatever skills you have and passion you have why you are not over there, in the nitty gritty of it all volunteering at shelters, schools, labor forces anything to help rather than sitting here telling us that you despise the U.S. How noble and helpful is that? Again. I believe you have your passion. I don't disagree with you entirely. But America is NOT the monster here. If you want to continue this discussion I will do so in email. But please, I have tried to meet you on this. Please answer my questions.


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Posted on Wed, Jun 13, 2007 21:07

Well that isn't saying much Noskool, he has so many issues. Too bad you don't want to elaborate because with all his issues it might be difficult to find your 2%. I mean we have Pre Saddam, his reign, Sovereign State or Dicatorship? Secular? Well that's really neither here nor there. U.S. committing war crimes? Women's rights? Women's rights during Saddam's reign of terror or now in a war torn country? U.S.Soldiers committing atrocities against civilians? Oh hell I can't keep track of it all. Not to mention all his issues on the home front. So yeah, I'd like to know where your 2% lies. But that would be like looking for a needle in a haystack.


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Posted on Wed, Jun 13, 2007 20:55

TTT, I saw how you turned away from Hillary Clinton [on Heretic's Blog] when she stated the truth. Now ask yourself, why would Hillary state that about Iraqi women rights when she is running for office if it wasn't true. Don't you think she is smart enough to know that if she lied about something as important as that people would be turned against her just like you did? You asked me where my loyalties are, so again I state them for you: 1) Truth 2) Justice 3) The US Constitution


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