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Posted on Wed, Feb 14, 2007 06:09

Got this in an e mail awhile back. First let me say that I try hard NOT to be a raciest. This is not about race. Second, I am a wanna be Christian. Meaning I fall short at being really good at it. I also have a hard time accepting that Jeasus is the only way to Gods grace. Its just my way. I have friends that follow other Spiritual paths, that I believe are truely good people. And lastly,I admid I do not actually know any Muslims,other than the ones I met in jail in my wilder youth.Perhaps that might not be a good example. ha ha. I dont Know Who's observation this is but it's certainly food for thought Can a good Muslim be a good American? I forwarded that question to a friend that worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years. The following is his forwarded reply. "Have you ever thought -- Is Muslim American really an oxymoron? Can a devout Muslim be an American patriot and a loyal citizen? Consider this: "Theologically, no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia. "Religiously, no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah excep t Islam (Quran, 2:256) "Scripturally, no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran). "Geographically, no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day. "Socially, no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews. "Politically, no. Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan. "Domestically, no, because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran4:34). "Intellectually, no, because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt. "Philosophically, no, because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or Autocratic. "Spiritually, no, because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in the Quran's 99 excellent names. "Therefore after much study and deliberation.... Perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both 'good' Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish ... it's still the truth." If you find yourself intellectually in agreement with the above statements, perhaps you will share this with your friends. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. Pass it on Fellow Americans.... The religious war is bigger than we know or understand. I do not wish to be forcibly converted to Islam, and return to the 17th century. Does that make a war of extermination inevitable? I'm very much afraid there is no other outcome that will leave our Western Civilization intact, and our descendants alive! It seems it actually IS them or us. I hope someone can come up with another solution, but it sure looks like the worst is yet to come.


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Posted on Thu, Feb 15, 2007 04:35

Let us not be arrogant. We are judged by GOD not the American Constitution. And GOD says we are judged as to wether we follow him by our actions. The Bible says that those who profess HIm and say they are belivers will be judged FIRST and much more harshly than those who do not, but do right by their conscience. It is GOD who judges us and wwe had better make sure we are RIGHT by HIM before we start judging and weighing up anyone else. We can judge our so called CHRISTIAN countries by weigginh ourselves up with HIS WORD. 1) Love the Lord Thy GOD with All Your Heart. All Your Soul, All Your Body and All YOUR MIGHT. 2)Do not put any other Gods or anything else before HIM (including King, Country, Beliefs and Traditions, home or family. (OK we all failed on the first 3) Keep the Sabbath Day Holy (All Failed on that ONE) 4) Thou Shall Not Kill (America has worse rate of violence and murder and it is going UP. England is now declared the most violent society in Eurpoe and the worse place to bring up kids 5) Thou shall not steal (Muggings, theft, killing for a pizza or cell phone everyday 6) Honour Thy Father and Mother 7) Thou Shall not Covet )The West is made up of greed and the pursuit of money and materialsm and success at the sacrifice of human beings and the greater good Suffer the Little Children to Come to Me America is the biggest importer and exporter of paedophile pornopgarphy. This is how Muslims see us as paedophiles and pornographers Not as righteous or liberators. Male abuse is the No1 reason for the female and childrens deaths every year in the US and the West. There is the Belief that as God judges His Own first and those who say they declare HIM but do the opposite that what is happening to America and the west is His judgement. Throughtout the Bible God's people were overcome by the enemy and other nations and other beliefs because of their own wickedness. PS: Jesus is the Only way to God because He is the only one who was sent by God to take your wicked sins onto himself and give you His life and His salvation. Even the most wonderful good and Godly person is a sinner compared to God. So no one gets in except through HIM. But he knows who loves hima nd who does not and say that he has other children from other countries who know Him and hear His voice even if they do not know his name. Do Not JUDGE OTHERS. YOU ARE JUDGED YOURSELF. The Bible says better a nonbeliever does his will than a believer who does not. America is Not a Christian Country and Neither is england or Europe. it is evident in our violence, wickedness and cruelty, deception and high rates of murder, theft and perverse sexuality. And thats starting with heterosexuals not homosexuals. We are sinners and all fall short from Grace and we are all going to HELL on the BIG BUS if we don't sort ourselves out first and stop judging others. We need to sort our own countries out then maybe God will be merciful.


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Posted on Wed, Feb 14, 2007 22:27

To be honest I don't know all there is to know about the Muslim faith ,but the young Doctor I work with is Muslim and he is the most caring and conscientious Doctor I have ever worked with. He has the patients health , finances and best interest in mind and is genuinely honest. It goes against his religion to be dishonest and he takes it very serious. He is devoted to his mother and father and will gladly take care of them the rest of their lives,something we have lost sight of. He prays in the afternoon and get's a sense of peace and tranquility from his daily prayer.I believe he is waiting to find his soul mate before having sex and will not compromise .I admire him for his loving ways and can't be the judge for this question as I don't have all the fact's.


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Posted on Wed, Feb 14, 2007 19:23

I knew there was something I liked about you! BTW: Happy Valentines Day! Summer


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Posted on Wed, Feb 14, 2007 18:48

Hoss Yes ,a tough one. Our Constitution says freedom of religion. I and I hate sounding like Hitler singling out a religion. I mean where do you draw the line. You can practice any faith you want ,as long as it's mine.? Sounds stupid doesn't it. Wish I knew the answer. Wish some body knew the answer. A start would be tougher emigration laws and actually swearing allegiance to this country if you want to live here.


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Posted on Wed, Feb 14, 2007 17:04

Tough one chop Growing up in South Africa, my first girlfriends were muslim and boy they were beautiful and I loved them dearly. But I was catholic and that wasnt going to go anywhere. I had many friends in the muslim community back then including coworkers. They seemed to be different than Christians,possibly because they were a tight knit community with strange customs but I didnt know a lot about them. I hate to be a generalist and I usually give people the benefit of the doubt. But for me the muslim thing today is like the black thing...I have only one black friend..but we only go so far in our relationship, no house visits etc, we just connect platonically. Not a racist, just a preference. My daughter had a black boyfriend and if they chose to marry wouldnt made a difference. At least black people in the US have the same ideals as we have as a community. We arent integrated well enough with Muslims to find out if they have the same ideals or are going after world domination. Christians have been vicious over the centuries and can be so again, so what makes us right! Our god better than theirs? I dont wanna go there as thats a road with too much hate down it. It comes down to the strength of our convictions. We need to reach out and filter out the good from the bad in our and their communities. AFter all, they eat, they crap, they hurt, they cry and so do we. The more the bad win, the good cave in out of fear. If we find we have a different value system on life and their entire communities feel that way, then we have a problem...because thats a fundamental principle that if we cant solve, we'll just have to help them sacrifice their lives faster than we do. Hope it never comes to that! I enjoyed my time in my youth with them. Tough subject!


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