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Posted on Thu, Aug 13, 2009 04:54

Just seeing all the HooHaa over there about a National Health System. Just want to say that the UK NHS system was one of the best in the World with service to all irrespective of wealth, background or ability to pay. Had hight standards and dedicated nurses and doctors. Delivering basic healthcare and would not be cut off if run out of money and would not be turfing anyone out int he street or pulling the switch because you were too old or in the way. It has been destroyed because of most good ideas it was taken over by idiots with degrees and polticians and "consultants" who have no idea. At beginning a Dr could just ring up and refer a patient to a chiropractitioner, back specialist, physio etc etc and get an appointment. Then the bigwigs decided this was too easy and now put several levels inbetween where the doctor has to apply to x admin department, and financial management department, and logistics and a full team with several form inbetween. This makes the care more complicated and more expensive as each layer of admin has to be paid for 80% of NHS money goes to admin. Also there are PC preferred areas of care and "trendy" areas. Therefore you will get 5-dozen projects for drugs and drink problems in one town all doubling up on what they are doing. Meanwhile the Baby care unit, Emergency Unit and Day Care for Elderly Dementia would be closed down. Also as we are part of EU and taking in immigrants they are all entitled to NHS care and input even if they have not paid into it. I do not begrudge anyone care but we hae mass migration coming into Britain to take advantage of free care system. A lot are taking the piss out the system. Then the govt turns round and tells those who have paid for it all their lives and indigenous population that they are the ones who will have to lose out. It was and is a wonderful idea of care and medical intervention for all at point of need. It had hight standards and was known as the best system in the world and British nurses the best and most professional. The mess is because of managerial and political interference and an army of paid idiot consultants who forget what the NHS is there for - "CARE OF THE PATIENT." It is not free as you pay for it the same as a private Insurance system. You are just guaranteed you and your families care even if the Insurance Company goes bust and losses all your premiums on the Stock Market. It is not a gamble. It is a contract between Govt and people. Proud of our NHS and so is everyone else. Just has its problems with idiots and politcians and policy makers. It would be good if it went back to "Care at Point of Need." Don't think we should pay for stupid extras such as Reiki, Homeostasis merchants and color therapists when we need "MORE BLOOD FOR CUBICLE 9" and "AN INTRAVENOUS DRIP FOR PATIENT IN ROOM 5" Looking pretty ugly and angry over there. Have worked in private and yes my severe Head Injury clients are "cut off" the minute their money runs out, and the private solicitors and professionals will take your house off you, evict your family and put you in a State Care Home without a blink of an eye. Will also keep you a patient and even keep you ill if it keeps you on its books. I have sat in a meeting with 6 professioals each on $100s per hour for them to discuss removing $100per week from patients state benefits an it going to them. All these people are being paid their money out of the patient's award. Soon goes. Also plan to remove children from family. Not for concern for children but so they get the money as guardians. Know which side I am on. Just thought I'd let you know we are proud of our NHS. Lot of screaming and shouting over there about basic care for all. Wish everyone would be on the streets when it came to child abuse. Also the NHS etc was brought in after the war when the country was struggling. But it was there to stop people slipping back to the dreadful state of health and welbeing and poverty in the depression between the wars. My gramps where in that and many lost their children every year to things that are now nearly extinct. JunieXXX


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Posted on Sun, Aug 16, 2009 13:39

Quoting: Originally posted by gthdreamer
The whitehall wizards have issued a simple check list to mass medicate all over 50 with 40 mg of statin regardless of fitness. This chek list is to be run by nurses who have the prescription written out before the consultation. Oldr doctors would not recomend all take this medication, and make an informed choice of particular statin for individual cases. The whitehall mandrins have been show not to know about anything, so why should we have any faith in their medical ability. Is this silent euthinasia by pretended caring ?


Seen a lot. A lot of decisions to do with expenditure and immediacy and covering liability. Nothing to do with patient care. Worked with excellent doctors and nurses, also those who are a liability. Would not like to be checking and calculating the insurance on top of everything else. The truth is, if the basic and essential care was delivered at a high, quality rate with less fancy ideas and 'ology every second patient care would go up and costs would go down. Bad management and bad standards just mean more cost and liability which costs even more. Been to Holland as nursing rep. Delivery of care and standards of wards far better. We have got stuck in beaurocratic fudge again. 56% of nurses drop out of nursing. not because of pay or conditions but because we cannot nurse or guarantee patient care. Anyone active in trying to improve nursing ends up with no job and no career. But would stand by national free health care to everyone at point of need. Just could be simpler. But that would be too simple. Another soundbite, another politca point score. another re-management structure. None which changes and ensures care at the face end. Keep active. Keep writing and on their tails. We can change things. We live in a Country and Culture that has always changed things. JunieXXX


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Posted on Fri, Aug 14, 2009 15:44

The whitehall wizards have issued a simple check list to mass medicate all over 50 with 40 mg of statin regardless of fitness. This chek list is to be run by nurses who have the prescription written out before the consultation. Oldr doctors would not recomend all take this medication, and make an informed choice of particular statin for individual cases. The whitehall mandrins have been show not to know about anything, so why should we have any faith in their medical ability. Is this silent euthinasia by pretended caring ?


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Posted on Fri, Aug 14, 2009 13:07

Too many chiefs and not enough Indians. Too many interests looking after the money they can get out of it and patient care goes to the wall whether it is Private or NHS. But at least we don't have to check your insurance before we get you a bed and treated. Have a very good qualified Theatre Nurse as friend. she worked in America. Heartbreaking to be told to cut off someone's care and push them out to die or deterioate because their money ran out or insurance refuse to pay. Goes against all nursing instincts. Does not happen over here. There are no boards that you go before to argue your care. That is a lie. Politics and Lies. Yes. strange that they go together. The vast majority in the UK get treated everyday without stress or worry and know they are entitled to that care. Private does not mean better care as the saem idiots and unprofessional doctors/surgeons work in private too. Did I tell you the take of a man who went private for a simple vasectomy to jump the waiting queue and ended up with a severe painful mistake that they refused to acknowledge or recitfy for 18 months as they argued who was liable and the insurance refused to pay before the NHS put it right free of charge? "OUCH!" JunieXXX


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Posted on Fri, Aug 14, 2009 11:55

you know why they bury doctors and lawyers 12 feet down instead of 6?

because deep down, they're all good guys.

it's a tough thing...the doctors, nurses, etc pay so much to go to school

then they try to recoup their costs, and live the life.."they expected".

but when I was in the hospital, and the dr. and 5 'associates' made their rounds,

all the 'associates' billed my insurance.

¿

in my trade...I stood behind my decisions, I didn't have consultants.

if I didn't know what I was doing, I didn't do it.

and to me...that's part of the problem..no.. most of it.

like when I went to a specialist for a frozen shoulder...

they talked to me..peeked at me...and I told them what was wrong,

they sent me to someone else and billed me $250 for a 12 minute consultation!

¿

guess I bought a few rounds at the country club!



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