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Posted on Fri, May 23, 2008 03:10

Yep, Iraqi Vets are being ban from VD Parades all across America. From Long Beach Press-Telegraph "Iraq veteran Jason Lemieux might not be marching in the 11th annual Long Beach Veterans Day Parade on Saturday. The Marine, who served THREE TOURS OF DUTY IN IRAQ and is now against the war, was hoping to march as a member of Iraq Veterans Against the War, a national organization that calls for immediate withdrawal of troops in Iraq. The group's application, however, was rejected last month because of its political views, parade coordinators said. "I WANTED TO MARCH LIKE THE REST OF THE IRAQ VETERANS" said Lemieux, a 24-year-old Anaheim resident. "I SERVED MY COUNTRY. I'M A VETERAN OF A FOREIGN WAR. I THINK I DESERVE THAT RESPECT". Iraq Veterans, along with the groups Veterans for Peace and Military Families Speak Out, applied to march together in the parade this year under the entry "Military Patriots." After reviewing each group's mission statement, the Veterans Day Parade Committee, a non-profit group that organizes the event, voted unanimously to reject the application, said parade coordinator Martha Thuente. "They do not fit the spirit of the parade," she said. "The spirit being one of gratitude for what the veterans have done. We do not want groups of a political nature, advocating the troops' withdrawal from Iraq." Parade coordinators work hard to keep the event free from politics, Thuente said. "We're not allowed to take a political stance." BULLSHIT! SO LET ME GET THIS RIGHT. IF YOU SUPPORT THE ILLEGAL INVASION AND ILLEGAL OCCUPATION YOU CAN BE HONORED AS A VET, AND IF YOU ARE A THREE TOUR US VET WHO PUT IT ON THE LINE IN IRAQ [FOR AMERICA, FREEDOM AND BLAH BLAH BLAH] AND DON'T BELIEVE IN THE "MISSION/LIE" YOU CAN GO F-OFF. DID I GET THAT ONE RIGHT? THAT MUST BE ALL THOSE FREEDOMS ALL THE US GIS WHO SERVED AND WERE FIGHTING AND DIEING FOR DURING THE LAST 200+ YEARS ARE ALL ABOUT. Look around, I bet you will find lots of VD Parades that will ban US IRAQ Vets [who HONORABLE served] only because of their beliefs.


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Posted on Tue, Jun 03, 2008 20:11

Justy the fact that I respond to your posts - not often, but sometimes, is due to the fact that, opposing views or not, I definitely feel a certain respect for you. Grudging respect sometimes, to be sure, but respect nonetheless. I should have worded my statement a bit differently because, if I thought you ever deliberately "lied" in your posts I would not have that respect, and would therefore not be posting comments on your blogs. Not going to get into a urination contest with you about the accuracy of everything you post. As you yourself stated, "Reiche-wing Death cult" is your opinion. Many of the statement you make are your opinions, and opinions are fine and wonderful but they are not always correct. Yet you state them as fact. What I admire is the amount of research you obviously do to provide backup, or show a basis, for your opinions. In another blog you refer to statements by Scot McClellan and draw conclusions from those statements. What if Mr. McClellan stretched - or even bent - the truth? If he did so, then conclusions and opinions based upon his writings - which certainly are earning him a lot of money - are not the truth. I shouldn't have said "lies" perhaps, but I definitely could not have said "truth." We both know that in the political arena ALL SIDES use "Propaganda." I won't insult your intelligence by looking up the definition of Propaganda for you. I'm through here. See you on the Road sometime, maybe. DT


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Posted on Tue, Jun 03, 2008 11:15

Dyno- You stated, "since you keep trying to stir up fights with mixtures of truth, supposition and outright lies" I left all my blog posting intact and on-line. Any time you wish to point one of those so-called lies feel free to do so. Note, just so you know, the GOP being a Reiche-wing Death cult is my opinion and is not debatable [unless you want to go there].


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Posted on Fri, May 30, 2008 07:07

From what you describe, Justy, I think the parade organizers quite wisely protected the "Vets Against" from becoming hospitalized. Joke, sort of. If you hold an event, say, to celebrate Stalin's 130th birthday, next December, do you really want a bunch of Right Wing "GOP Death Cultists" showing up and turning your event into something you didn't intend for it to be? Perhaps you do, I dunno. Seems to me maybe you like a good fight - since you keep trying to stir up fights with mixtures of truth, supposition and outright lies - pretty much the same shit different day as the people you constantly assail. PS - I'm a bloody minded Independent. Just for the record. DT


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Posted on Thu, May 29, 2008 19:30

Quoting: Originally posted by JerseyAngel Exactly! I participated in the Rolling Thunder parade to the Wall. The support these people have for our vets is overwhelming. Keyword...SUPPORT!

I imagine their support is just like Bush's and McBush's/McInsane's support for the latest GI bill.


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Posted on Thu, May 29, 2008 19:29

DynaThom.... How did you figure out that Iraq veteran Jason Lemieux would as you put it 'disrespect' anything? Oh, let me get this correct, you assume that if you walk behind a banner stating something like "Iraq Vet Against the Occupation" that is some sort of disrespect? Perhaps the real disrespect is the 1,000's of Americans GIs KIA and the 10's of 10,000's US GIs mentally and physically crippled for the remainder of their life for the lies. Yeah, wave the flag and support the GOP death cult.


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Posted on Wed, May 28, 2008 08:36

Quoting: Originally posted by medicinemanrn Maybe it is just me, but I believe Memorial Day is all about those that died for our country and freedoms. It isnt supposed to be political.

Exactly! I participated in the Rolling Thunder parade to the Wall. The support these people have for our vets is overwhelming. Keyword...SUPPORT!


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Posted on Wed, May 28, 2008 07:54

Quoting: Originally posted by Junie2006 No different. In the Falklands memorial parade and servive the wounded and burnt soldiers were told they were not wanted and kept away. Vet against the the war are just as legitimate and have a right to be there. Its not political - its personal. If my leg or arm is blown off and I am invalided out of the rest of my life aged 19 (average age in all conflicts) I can walk and raise and voice my protest with what i have got left. Or are all parades only to think of victory and glory and honour and not reality? Lost you leg, lost your arm, lost your brain, You have a right to be there. JunieXXX Nurse to vets who are forgotten and thrown on the scrapheap and not wanted - by anyone.

Junie I'm not at all sure we are on opposite sides here. At my final duty station in the U.S.Navy (way back when) a big part of my duties as "Public Affairs Officer (Petty Officer)" was to give speeches and presentations at various Memorial Day, Pearl Harbor Day and other Day affairs. I ofen used Rudyard Kipling's "Tommy" as a basis, or background for my speech. (I'm quoting it here on BK, but on my own blog, not on Justy's.) The point about this particular parade and this particular group of vets is that the people holding or sponsoring the event expected the event to honor veterans - all vets of all wars - and to not have the event disrespected by people who wanted to use their venue for a totally different purpose. The Vets against the War have every right to put on thier own function and to expect the same respect. One of the groups to whom I used to give presentations was Pearl Harbor Survivors. These people would put on a dinner and a gathering on December 7, to honor those who fell on that "Date of Infamy" and to honor those who fought and survived. Would it have been appropriate for some group to show up waving a Japanese Battle Flag and screaming, "Too bad your carriers weren't in port that day!!!" ???? I don't think so, just as I don't think it would have been appropriate to allow protests in the parade that is the subject of this blog. DT


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Posted on Tue, May 27, 2008 02:44

No different. In the Falklands memorial parade and servive the wounded and burnt soldiers were told they were not wanted and kept away. Vet against the the war are just as legitimate and have a right to be there. Its not political - its personal. If my leg or arm is blown off and I am invalided out of the rest of my life aged 19 (average age in all conflicts) I can walk and raise and voice my protest with what i have got left. Or are all parades only to think of victory and glory and honour and not reality? Lost you leg, lost your arm, lost your brain, You have a right to be there. JunieXXX Nurse to vets who are forgotten and thrown on the scrapheap and not wanted - by anyone.


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Posted on Mon, May 26, 2008 17:39

Medicinemanrn and longbeard52 have it right. A Memorial Day/Veterans' Day Parade deserves the same respect and reverence as a funeral. DT


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Posted on Mon, May 26, 2008 08:42

Veterans Day commends the courage and selflessness of the survivors. Public ceremonies are encouraged to recognize,remember,and honor the true meaning of the day,and to express our gratitude and pay tribute to Veterans.


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Posted on Sun, May 25, 2008 20:34

The purpose of Veteran's day parades is not to flaunt political viewpoints. Its sole purpose is to honor those who have fought, and in some cases were maimed or killed in defense of their country and its people. If these others wish to parade, they may either blend with the other marchers, or have their own politically oriented affair. You have the right to your opinion, but not to foist it upon others. If you personally dont like it, do not attend. no one will care if you opt out.


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Posted on Sun, May 25, 2008 20:10

Maybe it is just me, but I believe Memorial Day is all about those that died for our country and freedoms. It isnt supposed to be political.


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