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Posted on Wed, Aug 01, 2007 12:45

Re: cccharlie write: In only two and half hours On 9/11 america lost over 3000 of her own,fathers,mothers,sons,daughters,bro and sisters none who carried a weapon of any kind to work with them that day, for that reason alone we are in this war. ... so i'll be damned before i see another america in shame like the vietnam war AMERICA MUST COMPLETE THE TASK AT HAND

Talk about drinking the reiche-wing koolaid... Did Iraq have anything to do with 911? Did Iraq have anything to do with Al Qaeda? What is the 'mission'? Hey why do 80% of Iraqis want the US out of THEIR COUNTRY NOW? How do you win an occupation? And then your start with Nam? F-ing A. Only shame in Nam was losing 51,000 + US GIs for a failed cause. Perhaps you need to turn off the reiche-wing blow-holes and read a history book.


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Posted on Tue, Jul 31, 2007 14:51

Tomorrow Wednesday 1ts Aug 2007 the British troops are being withdrawn from Northern Ireland after 40 years. If you don't make the rigth decisions to bring peace to the country you will still be there decades later. And you cannot pull out as it is so strategic both poltically and commercially. Demo it is not running a country down to state the obvious mistakes and decisions it has made. To stand on the solid ground of TRUTH is the best way of going forward. If you have a bad root you have to turn round and sort that root out or nothing good will grow from it. I love my country but I don't agree with the decisions and actions it has taken. It was responsible for planning murder and torture of Catholics using the police and UDA in Ireland. It allowed thousands of Irish starve to death in the famine although it had warehouses stacked with food. I like the French but many would not forgive them for their cowardly action of conceeding to Germany withou allowing time for our troops to pull out and 100,000s were massacerd at Dunkirk. I am amazed how many are adopting Eastern thinking as a better way of life when the eastern countries have been the most backward and barbaric in the world with no justice and the most negligent of the poor and disadvantaged and disabled. Japan still manacles and tethers mental health patients. I had a Japanses rape victim and she was treated terribly due to her breakdown. Wish people would not use wishful thinking and dreamy ideas to build on but stand back and actually look. If a criticsm is true you should accept it. Britain is now the most violent nation in Europe with the worsed figures in all areas. I do blame this on following the American way. Gordon's in now and maybe we will go forward. He certainly rattled them into action at the UN the other day. He is also a stronger character than Blair and his morals are built on Scotish granite not worrying about how people will see him and the popularity polls. Juni


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Posted on Mon, Jul 30, 2007 12:48

Treasure, yes, it is insulting; yes, it is horrible (to even have to say it); but it may not be so irresponsible to say, given the way those in "authority" have shunned questions and stonewalled investigations (not to mention outright lying). That particular politician is not the only one to have come to that conclusion and said it. I think there are many (counted in the thousands) who also tend to believe that, too, including, but not limited to doctors, lawyers, college professors, airline pilots, investigators, stock brokers, police, firefighters and even [retired] high ranking soldiers (and those who are even aware of the Hegelian principle and remember the Reichstag incident). Couple that with the resultant effects of legislation and unconstitutional executive orders squelching free speech and travel, identification, banking, buying and selling, etc. and it is not hard to figure out how one might, legitimately, come to that conclusion.


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Posted on Thu, Jul 26, 2007 14:08

"It is curious to note that after the enactment of this new law there has been no protest by any of the other political leaders in the United States, with the exception of the only Muslim member of the United States Congress, Minnesota Democrat Keith Ellison, and who compared President Bush to the Nazi War Leader Adolph Hitler by stating the attacks upon the World Trade Center could be likened to the burning of the Reichstag." What a horrible, insulting and irresponsible thing for that man to say. I am no fan of Bush. But that is just fanatically extreme.


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Posted on Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:35

i personaly feel that the government should let the ones that dont protest have a chat with the protesters. im sure they could be swayed to shut the fuck up..lol No one wants a war. well at least not normal people, but im tired of people talking shit about our country. hell send the protesters over there to work out a deal...hahaha that would be funny and solve a lot of problems.


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Posted on Thu, Jul 26, 2007 10:29

Free speech is good-it keeps at the forefront what is going on. Unfortunately, those in govt do not, apparently, see things that way. Why else would they stonewall investigations into what went "wrong" in the events of 9/11,Ruby Ridge,Waco,Oklahoma City or the terrorist holding pens? Each and every person in govt is supposed to take an oath to uphold, defend, protect and preserve the constitutions (of their state and/or the United States of America. When Bush says "the Constitution is just a goddamned piece of paper!" it seems that he has disrespected that very document/principles of law/charter which gives those in govt any authority whatsoever, and has thus, violated his oath of office and therefore, makes him an outlaw. Treason is an interesting concept which is defined in that very document. Treason while at war is a capital offense. Though there is no constitutionally mandated act of Congress declaring war, the president and a majority of people who are ignorant of what authorizes Americans to go to war, say that we are at war (declared war by the president, by the way, usurping the powers of Congress) and thus, by his own words, he has convicted himself. As for those in the lower ranks of the military, I would be hardpressed to blame them, since, though they took the oath to protect, preserve and defend the constitution of the US of A against all enemies, foreign and domestic, they have not been taught that document they are supposed to protect against enemies, making them, ignorant of the true purpose for which they are training, draw a paycheck and put their lives on the line. Your representative is YOU, legally and morally speaking, so if your rep is a liar, thief and murderer, that makes you/us one, too. To skeptics, 9/11 looks very much like Hitler's Reichstag, engaging the Hegelian principle. Besides, killing tens of thousands of innocent men women and children in retaliation for an outlaw gang's acts is considered crim...


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Posted on Thu, Jul 26, 2007 09:43

Here's a couple paragraphs from an article by Doug Hagin, in 2006: "Their fight (those who have given their lives for freedom) is done; it now is ours to carry on. Most of us will never have to pick up a gun and fight for this nation, yet we are asked every day, to carry the struggle for liberty forward. Liberty is never won, it is a continuing battle, and there will always be those who would seek to deprive us of it. It is therefore our most solemn duty to support our military, in every way possible, and to enjoy the liberty they are, and have ensured for us. Today, the most recent of the fallen heroes gave their lives fighting extremism as vile and evil as Nazism or Marxism. The terrorists are a direct threat to our liberty and nation. Our armed forces are currently engaged in defeating this sub-human evil. Our military cannot lose this war; no military on earth can defeat ours. Yet we, the American people, can lose our resolve, and that would not only cost us our current struggle, but would destroy everything those veterans fought for as well." -------------------------------- That a good enough explanation for you?


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Posted on Wed, Jul 25, 2007 15:53

In only two and half hours On 9/11 america lost over 3000 of her own,fathers,mothers,sons,daughters,bro and sisters none who carried a weapon of any kind to work with them that day, for that reason alone we are in this war. do i agree with everything our govt has done of course not they have and will make costly decisions. as which has happened in every war before.the only difference is the electronic age keeps more informed than ever before. i believe in free speech so here is mine i will stand behind the men and and women of our armed forces with prayer,support& graditude for what they are accomplishing so far away from there home. so i'll be damned before i see another america in shame like the vietnam war AMERICA MUST COMPLETE THE TASK AT HAND


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Posted on Wed, Jul 25, 2007 15:10

Oops! Part of the first post didn't make it. Here is the rest of what should have been there (under (ii)): support of, such an act or acts of violence or any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order; or


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Posted on Wed, Jul 25, 2007 15:04

eserved. [Ed. Note: The United States government actively seeks to find, and silence, any and all opinions about the United States except those coming from authorized government and/or affiliated sources, of which we are not one. No interviews are granted and very little personal information is given about our contributors, or their sources, to protect their safety.]


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Posted on Wed, Jul 25, 2007 15:03

to tell anyone about them, and so cannot contest them." It is interesting to note, too, that this is not the first time that the United States has unleashed the brutal power of their government against its citizens to further their war aims and stifle domestic dissent, as during the European conflict of World War I they enacted a law called The Sedition Act of 1918 and which "...forbade Americans to use "disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language" about the United States government, flag, or armed forces during war." It is curious to note that after the enactment of this new law there has been no protest by any of the other political leaders in the United States, with the exception of the only Muslim member of the United States Congress, Minnesota Democrat Keith Ellison, and who compared President Bush to the Nazi War Leader Adolph Hitler by stating the attacks upon the World Trade Center could be likened to the burning of the Reichstag. Today, as the United States faces an imminent economic collapse, while at the same time its war bill has reached the staggering amount of $648 billion, one of the last freedoms the American people have had to protest their leaders actions against them, and other peoples in the World, has now been taken away from them, the freedom to speak and write in opposition to what is being done to them. "If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what they do not want to hear.", said the great British writer George Orwell, but, and sadly, liberty has been lost to the once free people of the United States who are no longer allowed to tell their leaders, or each other, what they don?t want to hear. With this being so, the American people should, likewise, contemplate their ?new? future, and as, also, stated best by George Orwell, "If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." ? July 19, 2007 EU and US all r...


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Posted on Wed, Jul 25, 2007 15:01

(b) The prohibitions in subsection (a) of this section include, but are not limited to, (i) the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit of any person whose property and interests in property are blocked pursuant to this order, and (ii) the receipt of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services from any such person. (c) the term "United States person" means any United States citizen, permanent resident alien, entity organized under the laws of the United States or any jurisdiction within the United States (including foreign branches), or any person in the United States. All agencies of the United States Government are hereby directed to take all appropriate measures within their authority to carry out the provisions of this order and, where appropriate, to advise the Secretary of the Treasury in a timely manner of the measures taken." To the subsection of this new US law, according to these legal experts, that says "...the making of any contribution or provision of funds, goods, or services by, to, or for the benefit...", the insertion of the word ?services? has broad, and catastrophic, consequences for the American people in that any act deemed by their government to be against the Iraqi war is, in fact, supporting the ?enemy? and therefore threatens the ?stabilization of Iraq?. In an even greater affront to the American people are the provisions of a law called The Patriot Act, and that should they run afoul of this new law they are forbidden to allow anyone to know about it, and as we can read as reported by the Seattle Times News Service: "The [Patriot] act also expands the use of National Security Letters, which are a kind of warrant that the Justice Department writes for itself, authorizing its agents to seize such things as records of money movements, telephone calls and Internet visits. Recipients of a National Security Letter are not allowed...


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Posted on Wed, Jul 25, 2007 15:01

T July 19, 2007 Bush Outlaws All War Protest In United States By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers In one of his most chilling moves to date against his own citizens, the American War Leader has issued a sweeping order this week outlawing all forms of protest against the Iraq war. President Bush enacted into US law an ?Executive Order? on July 17th titled "Blocking Property of Certain Persons Who Threaten Stabilization Efforts in Iraq", and which says: "By the authority vested in me as President by the Constitution and the laws of the United States of America, including the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, as amended (50 U.S.C. 1701 et seq.)(IEEPA), the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1601 et seq.)(NEA), and section 301 of title 3, United States Code, I, GEORGE W. BUSH, President of the United States of America, find that, due to the unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States posed by acts of violence threatening the peace and stability of Iraq and undermining efforts to promote economic reconstruction and political reform in Iraq and to provide humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people, it is in the interests of the United States to take additional steps with respect to the national emergency declared in Executive Order 13303 of May 22, 2003, and expanded in Executive Order 13315 of August 28, 2003, and relied upon for additional steps taken in Executive Order 13350 of July 29, 2004, and Executive Order 13364 of November 29, 2004." According to Russian legal experts, the greatest concern to the American people are the underlying provisions of this new law, and which, they state, are written ?so broadly? as to outlaw all forms of protest against the war. These provisions state: "(ii) to have materially assisted, sponsored, or provided financial, material, logistical, or technical support for, or goods or services in supp...


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Posted on Tue, Jul 24, 2007 16:55

Harleyman...you are so right...and my thoughts and prayers are with each and every soldier! God Bless them!


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Posted on Fri, Jul 20, 2007 16:24

Look the mess is ours so lets take responsibility. The knowledge and wisdom was there but it was purposely ignored. Just before we went to war with Iraq our esteemed leader Tony Blair met Jacque Chirac. Mr Chirac tried tot talk sense. Mr Chirac said that he had been a soldier himself in Algiers and knew that war never brought what you planned it would. He said that thoousands of civilians would be killed. The population will only see youa s an invading force and resent you. Removing govts no matter how bad only leads to major breakdown of structures and internal structures and law and order and leads to chaos and civil war among factions hither to kept under control. Tony Blair listened and got up to leave. On his way out he turned to his aid and said "He just doesn't GET IT does he?" Iraq is our mess and we are responsible for the mess it is in now and the breakdown and murders. if you remember it was all winding up and everything getting under control and the Iraqis being positive and heolping alied forces then some stupid person released and sent home pictures of torture and humiliation at Agu Ghaibi gaol. That caused the problems to erupt and that is when we hade the hostages kidnapped and the grotesque beheadings. Complete total mess and the rebuilding id a cock up. America has "lost" billions of Iraq money which was to be used to rebuild the place. Complete shambles. But light ont he horizon. Our Gordons in and he is not aPR politician he is a man to do business and focus on sorting things out. Also cannot leave as being in the oil region with billions of dollars of interest it will come up and bite you on the a$$ later. America completely ignored the aquired knowldge of countries and aid organisations which have done this before and made major basic stupid mistakes. Iraqi people were working with the forces and rebuilding then those stupid photos came out and assaults of women and children then every Iraqi man want...


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