Re:Well...James I'm thinkin...It's warm and safe in my house,I've called the cops!! They're sitting down at the coffee shop...oh hell..Why make 'em work?..I 'll just skip right out there and deal with this!!....LOL!...NOT!!
And what if the other neighbors did the same?(crossfire)...LOL!
I don't understand why he would risk this(as no one was hurt and they were leaving)It isn't very logical.
james77075 write: lol.....funny aint it.....they broke the law...and the crimminals put their life changing events into motion.....he told them to not to move....they might have moved toward the old man with the gun. tht might not have been a good idea...lol...who knows...if the crooks would have stumbled upon anyone in the house they broke into...who would have been dead then?..hhmmmmm.....
Re:Well...James I'm thinkin...It's warm and safe in my house,I've called the cops!! They're sitting down at the coffee shop...oh hell..Why make 'em work?..I 'll just skip right out there and deal with this!!....LOL!...NOT!!
And what if the other neighbors did the same?(crossfire)...LOL!
I don't understand why he would risk this(as no one was hurt and they were leaving)It isn't very logical.
james77075 write: lol.....funny aint it.....they broke the law...and the crimminals put their life changing events into motion.....he told them to not to move....they might have moved toward the old man with the gun. tht might not have been a good idea...lol...who knows...if the crooks would have stumbled upon anyone in the house they broke into...who would have been dead then?..hhmmmmm.....
"Legally speaking the man may go free.Moral considerations may be at odds with the law"
Re:You make a very good point longbeard...That is,just because someone has a lawful right to do a thing...Should they do it?
If someone is jaywalking and gets hit by a car...Is the driver then blameless??.....hmmmmm
longbeard52 write: According to Texas law he is no murderer. The law allows a person to use force to defend their own, or a neighbor's property. And, if the accounts I read are accurate, the thieves crossed the shooter's land to access their target house. Legally speaking the man may go free.Moral considerations may be at odds with the law, but do not count much in court. In my state,as in many, it is not legal to use deadly force in this way. Personally, I wont judge the man, as he was there,in the heat of the moment, and I was not.
"Legally speaking the man may go free.Moral considerations may be at odds with the law"
Re:You make a very good point longbeard...That is,just because someone has a lawful right to do a thing...Should they do it?
If someone is jaywalking and gets hit by a car...Is the driver then blameless??.....hmmmmm
longbeard52 write: According to Texas law he is no murderer. The law allows a person to use force to defend their own, or a neighbor's property. And, if the accounts I read are accurate, the thieves crossed the shooter's land to access their target house. Legally speaking the man may go free.Moral considerations may be at odds with the law, but do not count much in court. In my state,as in many, it is not legal to use deadly force in this way. Personally, I wont judge the man, as he was there,in the heat of the moment, and I was not.
Re:Yes!It's fine to disagree and debate this issue,I would only ask that we try not to get into disrespect.(No need)
TeachOnWheels write: This blog asks "What do you think?" so NN, Deep, and HDCouple all three of you are right. You are each entitled to your own opinion with no need to judge or ridicule each other. Peace starts with each of us so all of you go to your rooms until you can play nice.
Re:Yes!It's fine to disagree and debate this issue,I would only ask that we try not to get into disrespect.(No need)
TeachOnWheels write: This blog asks "What do you think?" so NN, Deep, and HDCouple all three of you are right. You are each entitled to your own opinion with no need to judge or ridicule each other. Peace starts with each of us so all of you go to your rooms until you can play nice.
This blog asks "What do you think?" so NN, Deep, and HDCouple all three of you are right. You are each entitled to your own opinion with no need to judge or ridicule each other. Peace starts with each of us so all of you go to your rooms until you can play nice.
This blog asks "What do you think?" so NN, Deep, and HDCouple all three of you are right. You are each entitled to your own opinion with no need to judge or ridicule each other. Peace starts with each of us so all of you go to your rooms until you can play nice.
The man acted int he heat of the moment and all the mounting tensions and fears and maybe previous experience he had had. It was unwarranted as he was not under threat himself. But I think everyone can understand the human nature in the situaton. There must be an outcome which wjile not condoning shows understanding and mercy. Especially when many criminals are unmerciful themselves these days. Even The old testament recognised the difference bewteen manslaugter and prmeditated murder and took in the situation. Cuplrits were allowed to run to cities that were nominated as refuges until the authorities took all the facts and sorted what was what. Also, a killing by accident or heat of the moment ( they understood men's tempers) was not rewarded by excecution but the culprit would have to pay recompense and give one of his family to replaced the dead relative. Afterall a besieged normadic tribe couldn't afford to lose any fighting men.
Later Jesus shows there is a difference between killing and murder. A Roman soldier askd him if he should leave the army in response to the gospel. Jesus tells him to stay (Obvioulsy knwwing what a soldier has to do in Israel which was oppressed by them But he tells him not to be corrupt and be content with his wage.
So God understands the situation and circumstances around killing people and deserns between premeditated and manslaughter and duty
It is a fact that during the Falklands war young lads from both sides in the thick of it prayed to God. Many spoke of receiving an instant feeling of peace both Argie and Brit. Showing that God is not a respecter of men but has compassion on them all. I believe he see the current conflict in the same way. He is not for anyside but all men who he loves.
But he said that man would turn to doing wrong becasue of the iniquity and pressures of the world - so he understands.
Junie
Re:
NightNurse write: You Shall Not Murder Sermon taken from Exodus 20:13 & Proverbs 1:8-19
You shall not murder! That is the best translation of the original Hebrew. Sometimes people read it as, You shall not kill. But that is not as accurate. The Hebrew word is Tirtzach and it refers to wrongful killing, which is different from the killing that occurs in capital punishment, war, and self-defense - killings that are permissible under certain circumstances, as outlined in the Bible
Capital punishment is the taking of a person?s life, precisely because that person has murdered someone. Exodus 21:12 says, Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death. Later in Exodus there were protections put in place for the person who killed someone accidentally.
There were restrictions on capital punishment. A person?s life was to be taken only because of murder. You could not kill someone because he broke into your house and stole your jewelry. In that case, he had to pay back double what he stole. If he couldn?t pay he was to be sold into slavery and work off the debt. But he couldn?t be killed because of it.
Killing a person in the process of war was allowable in the Hebrew Scriptures. We read of Samson, on whom the Spirit of the Lord came giving him extra-human strength to win battles of war. King David, and other godly men led the armies of Israel against the warring tribes around them and gave them victory through the slaying of the enemy.
So this term tirtzach in Exodus 20:13 specifically means, You shall not murder.
Re:
NightNurse write: You Shall Not Murder Sermon taken from Exodus 20:13 & Proverbs 1:8-19
You shall not murder! That is the best translation of the original Hebrew. Sometimes people read it as, You shall not kill. But that is not as accurate. The Hebrew word is Tirtzach and it refers to wrongful killing, which is different from the killing that occurs in capital punishment, war, and self-defense - killings that are permissible under certain circumstances, as outlined in the Bible
Capital punishment is the taking of a person?s life, precisely because that person has murdered someone. Exodus 21:12 says, Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death. Later in Exodus there were protections put in place for the person who killed someone accidentally.
There were restrictions on capital punishment. A person?s life was to be taken only because of murder. You could not kill someone because he broke into your house and stole your jewelry. In that case, he had to pay back double what he stole. If he couldn?t pay he was to be sold into slavery and work off the debt. But he couldn?t be killed because of it.
Killing a person in the process of war was allowable in the Hebrew Scriptures. We read of Samson, on whom the Spirit of the Lord came giving him extra-human strength to win battles of war. King David, and other godly men led the armies of Israel against the warring tribes around them and gave them victory through the slaying of the enemy.
So this term tirtzach in Exodus 20:13 specifically means, You shall not murder.
The man acted int he heat of the moment and all the mounting tensions and fears and maybe previous experience he had had. It was unwarranted as he was not under threat himself. But I think everyone can understand the human nature in the situaton. There must be an outcome which wjile not condoning shows understanding and mercy. Especially when many criminals are unmerciful themselves these days. Even The old testament recognised the difference bewteen manslaugter and prmeditated murder and took in the situation. Cuplrits were allowed to run to cities that were nominated as refuges until the authorities took all the facts and sorted what was what. Also, a killing by accident or heat of the moment ( they understood men's tempers) was not rewarded by excecution but the culprit would have to pay recompense and give one of his family to replaced the dead relative. Afterall a besieged normadic tribe couldn't afford to lose any fighting men.
Later Jesus shows there is a difference between killing and murder. A Roman soldier askd him if he should leave the army in response to the gospel. Jesus tells him to stay (Obvioulsy knwwing what a soldier has to do in Israel which was oppressed by them But he tells him not to be corrupt and be content with his wage.
So God understands the situation and circumstances around killing people and deserns between premeditated and manslaughter and duty
It is a fact that during the Falklands war young lads from both sides in the thick of it prayed to God. Many spoke of receiving an instant feeling of peace both Argie and Brit. Showing that God is not a respecter of men but has compassion on them all. I believe he see the current conflict in the same way. He is not for anyside but all men who he loves.
But he said that man would turn to doing wrong becasue of the iniquity and pressures of the world - so he understands.
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
1 And God spake all these words, saying,
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
7 Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain; for the LORD will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
13 Thou shalt not kill.
14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.
15 Thou shalt not steal.
16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.
deepinthesticks write: Wrong again Toots - I'd suggest YOU go back and read what I said. My two previous posts on this blog are entirely congruent and consistent. I believe what I wrote, I'll stick by it, and I don't apologize for it - nor should I.
Enjoy your long overdue break from the blogs. Bye bye.
Re: Fuck you very much,too, toots.
deepinthesticks write: Wrong again Toots - I'd suggest YOU go back and read what I said. My two previous posts on this blog are entirely congruent and consistent. I believe what I wrote, I'll stick by it, and I don't apologize for it - nor should I.
Enjoy your long overdue break from the blogs. Bye bye.
Wrong again Toots - I'd suggest YOU go back and read what I said. My two previous posts on this blog are entirely congruent and consistent. I believe what I wrote, I'll stick by it, and I don't apologize for it - nor should I.
Enjoy your long overdue break from the blogs. Bye bye.
Wrong again Toots - I'd suggest YOU go back and read what I said. My two previous posts on this blog are entirely congruent and consistent. I believe what I wrote, I'll stick by it, and I don't apologize for it - nor should I.
Enjoy your long overdue break from the blogs. Bye bye.
Re: Why don't you go back and read what you originally wrote. What you are saying here,and what you said there(original comment) are totally contadicting. I am not going to go round and round with you. No sense in it. You start out saying one thing,and then twist it around to mean something else,like a tilt a whirl,your change up of words and thoughts are spinning and spinning around,making me want to puke. Bye. Bye.
deepinthesticks write: NightNurse: Yeah, Great. Kill all the criminals. Bang Bang shoot 'em up. The country wouldn't be a better place.
Me: I disagree - I believe it would be immeasurably better.
NightNurse: How could it be if hunting season is always open for criminals.
Me: Mr. Horn wasn't "hunting" - the dirtbags came to his neighborhood & broke into his neighbor's house & he caught 'em in the act.
NightNurse: What about the innocent men,women.or.children who could get caught in the cross fires of the renegade vigilantes?
Me: No one innocent got shot - just the two dirtbags. Again - good riddance.
NightNurse: Who are you,or anyone, who is not within the judicial system,to say what "price" they should pay for their crime?
Me: I didn't say what price they should pay. They chose to break into a residence and steal. Someone who cared caught them & shot them dead. They took a chance & lost - sorry for their bad luck. In my opinion, justice was done. No harm - no foul.
Who are you to castigate me or anyone else for giving my opinion on a blog detailing a situation and asking for opinions?
Re: Why don't you go back and read what you originally wrote. What you are saying here,and what you said there(original comment) are totally contadicting. I am not going to go round and round with you. No sense in it. You start out saying one thing,and then twist it around to mean something else,like a tilt a whirl,your change up of words and thoughts are spinning and spinning around,making me want to puke. Bye. Bye.
deepinthesticks write: NightNurse: Yeah, Great. Kill all the criminals. Bang Bang shoot 'em up. The country wouldn't be a better place.
Me: I disagree - I believe it would be immeasurably better.
NightNurse: How could it be if hunting season is always open for criminals.
Me: Mr. Horn wasn't "hunting" - the dirtbags came to his neighborhood & broke into his neighbor's house & he caught 'em in the act.
NightNurse: What about the innocent men,women.or.children who could get caught in the cross fires of the renegade vigilantes?
Me: No one innocent got shot - just the two dirtbags. Again - good riddance.
NightNurse: Who are you,or anyone, who is not within the judicial system,to say what "price" they should pay for their crime?
Me: I didn't say what price they should pay. They chose to break into a residence and steal. Someone who cared caught them & shot them dead. They took a chance & lost - sorry for their bad luck. In my opinion, justice was done. No harm - no foul.
Who are you to castigate me or anyone else for giving my opinion on a blog detailing a situation and asking for opinions?
NightNurse: Yeah, Great. Kill all the criminals. Bang Bang shoot 'em up. The country wouldn't be a better place.
Me: I disagree - I believe it would be immeasurably better.
NightNurse: How could it be if hunting season is always open for criminals.
Me: Mr. Horn wasn't "hunting" - the dirtbags came to his neighborhood & broke into his neighbor's house & he caught 'em in the act.
NightNurse: What about the innocent men,women.or.children who could get caught in the cross fires of the renegade vigilantes?
Me: No one innocent got shot - just the two dirtbags. Again - good riddance.
NightNurse: Who are you,or anyone, who is not within the judicial system,to say what "price" they should pay for their crime?
Me: I didn't say what price they should pay. They chose to break into a residence and steal. Someone who cared caught them & shot them dead. They took a chance & lost - sorry for their bad luck. In my opinion, justice was done. No harm - no foul.
Who are you to castigate me or anyone else for giving their opinion on a blog detailing a situation and asking for opinions?
NightNurse: Yeah, Great. Kill all the criminals. Bang Bang shoot 'em up. The country wouldn't be a better place.
Me: I disagree - I believe it would be immeasurably better.
NightNurse: How could it be if hunting season is always open for criminals.
Me: Mr. Horn wasn't "hunting" - the dirtbags came to his neighborhood & broke into his neighbor's house & he caught 'em in the act.
NightNurse: What about the innocent men,women.or.children who could get caught in the cross
fires of the renegade vigilantes?
Me: No one innocent got shot - just the two dirtbags. Again - good riddance.
NightNurse: Who are you,or anyone, who is not within the judicial system,to say what "price" they should pay for their crime?
Me: I didn't say what price they should pay. They chose to break into a residence and steal. Someone who cared caught them & shot them dead. They took a chance & lost - sorry for their bad luck. In my opinion, justice was done. No harm - no foul.
Who are you to castigate me or anyone else for giving their opinion on a blog detailing a situation and asking for opinions?
Re: How is this for running off at the mouth >>>>> Shut the fuck up you hypocritical bitch. You are the one who runs off with the mouth all the time. You are always digging yourself out of some deep shit you get into on the blogs, Always getting into someones face with your nonsense. Maybe you need some of those benzos you were pushing down the throat of the elderly woman you work for. You commented your untoward opinion towards me,as you can see,your original comment is directly above mine. I would not even have come to this point of anger if you had not challenged me,and offended me by saying... "I wonder if this was your house being robbed and your things had been violated hey lets just say your teenage daughter was home from school sick, would you still feel this was a bit much?"
HDCouple4U2NV write:
Re:Do you have a friggin clue where I live? Or as usual are you just running off the mouth telling folks to shut up???? I said sorry just my opion. This is a blog where folks write their opions right???? Well at least it was last time I checked! You need to take your meds lady! Get a life or something! I have listened to this news footage and the dispatcher at the 911 call center tapes. Do you also know Houston area is being put on the chopping block for usung high school students to run their 911 centers? See I think by living here and knowing the real story I am more informed than you but do I tell you to shut up? Nope it's a frigging blog lady! Either take your meds or go back to bed and get up on the other side!
NightNurse write:
Re: Oh shut the fuck up, Annie get yer gun.or Nancy,or whatever the hell your name is. If you read the article more carefully you would see that it has NO mention of anyone being in the house in question. There was no reason for him to kill those men in cold blood.They did not attack him. They had not caused harm to anyone.They had no weapons. Only a crowbar. And,obviously not professonal thieves either. Even the dispatcher told Mr Gun Happy that "property" was not worth killing someone over. What they did,the crime they comitted DID NOT deserve to be judged and juried and sentenced to death by some crazy gun happy old man. I guess it must be a "Christian" thing to do,to KILL people in cold blood just because they are trespassing,or attempting to break into a house? FYI: Protecting my loved ones and my home has nothing to do with what Flame has asked me,and it has nothing to do with you or your shitty response in retrospect to my answer to Flame. You have a lot of fucking nerve to challenge me about what I would do in that situation. I would give up my life for my loved ones and family. I would die for them.
HDCouple4U2NV write:
Re:I wonder if this was your house being robbed and your things had been violated hey lets just say your teenage daughter was home from school sick, would you still feel this was a bit much? I feel if you come close to my home or my neighbors home I will shoot and I am a darn good shot. And as far as could he have aimed for the knee he was shooting a shot gun, to those of you that don't know it splatters pellets everywhere. I think he deserves an award! I also feel if this was legal everywhere there would be NO crime! Sorry ladies just my opion.
NightNurse write:
Re: It was pre-meditated and with malice. They were no threat to him. He was in no immediate danger. They were not on his property. As per the article,they were doing a B&E on someone else's property,and they were not threatening or harming another human being on that property.He has no right to take the law into his own hands,and he has no God given right to take the life/lives of another human being. I can understand his vigilante efforts if the men were comitting murder,mayhem,and havoc which could have provoked his intervention with a split second decision,but they weren't. It was B&E. I rest my case. hehe!
Flame2000 write:
Re:NN..Thanks for your honest reaction! Why do you see it that way?
NightNurse write: Not a hero. He's a cold blooded murderer.
Re: How is this for running off at the mouth >>>>> Shut the fuck up you hypocritical bitch. You are the one who runs off with the mouth all the time. You are always digging yourself out of some deep shit you get into on the blogs, Always getting into someones face with your nonsense. Maybe you need some of those benzos you were pushing down the throat of the elderly woman you work for. You commented your untoward opinion towards me,as you can see,your original comment is directly above mine. I would not even have come to this point of anger if you had not challenged me,and offended me by saying... "I wonder if this was your house being robbed and your things had been violated hey lets just say your teenage daughter was home from school sick, would you still feel this was a bit much?"
HDCouple4U2NV write:
Re:Do you have a friggin clue where I live? Or as usual are you just running off the mouth telling folks to shut up???? I said sorry just my opion. This is a blog where folks write their opions right???? Well at least it was last time I checked! You need to take your meds lady! Get a life or something! I have listened to this news footage and the dispatcher at the 911 call center tapes. Do you also know Houston area is being put on the chopping block for usung high school students to run their 911 centers? See I think by living here and knowing the real story I am more informed than you but do I tell you to shut up? Nope it's a frigging blog lady! Either take your meds or go back to bed and get up on the other side!
NightNurse write:
Re: Oh shut the fuck up, Annie get yer gun.or Nancy,or whatever the hell your name is. If you read the article more carefully you would see that it has NO mention of anyone being in the house in question. There was no reason for him to kill those men in cold blood.They did not attack him. They had not caused harm to anyone.They had no weapons. Only a crowbar. And,obviously not professonal thieves either. Even the dispatcher told Mr Gun Happy that "property" was not worth killing someone over. What they did,the crime they comitted DID NOT deserve to be judged and juried and sentenced to death by some crazy gun happy old man. I guess it must be a "Christian" thing to do,to KILL people in cold blood just because they are trespassing,or attempting to break into a house? FYI: Protecting my loved ones and my home has nothing to do with what Flame has asked me,and it has nothing to do with you or your shitty response in retrospect to my answer to Flame. You have a lot of fucking nerve to challenge me about what I would do in that situation. I would give up my life for my loved ones and family. I would die for them.
HDCouple4U2NV write:
Re:I wonder if this was your house being robbed and your things had been violated hey lets just say your teenage daughter was home from school sick, would you still feel this was a bit much? I feel if you come close to my home or my neighbors home I will shoot and I am a darn good shot. And as far as could he have aimed for the knee he was shooting a shot gun, to those of you that don't know it splatters pellets everywhere. I think he deserves an award! I also feel if this was legal everywhere there would be NO crime! Sorry ladies just my opion.
NightNurse write:
Re: It was pre-meditated and with malice. They were no threat to him. He was in no immediate danger. They were not on his property. As per the article,they were doing a B&E on someone else's property,and they were not threatening or harming another human being on that property.He has no right to take the law into his own hands,and he has no God given right to take the life/lives of another human being. I can understand his vigilante efforts if the men were comitting murder,mayhem,and havoc which could have provoked his intervention with a split second decision,but they weren't. It was B&E. I rest my case. hehe!
Flame2000 write:
Re:NN..Thanks for your honest reaction! Why do you see it that way?
NightNurse write: Not a hero. He's a cold blooded murderer.
According to Texas law he is no murderer. The law allows a person to use force to defend their own, or a neighbor's property. And, if the accounts I read are accurate, the thieves crossed the shooter's land to access their target house. Legally speaking the man may go free.Moral considerations may be at odds with the law, but do not count much in court. In my state,as in many, it is not legal to use deadly force in this way. Personally, I wont judge the man, as he was there,in the heat of the moment, and I was not.
According to Texas law he is no murderer. The law allows a person to use force to defend their own, or a neighbor's property. And, if the accounts I read are accurate, the thieves crossed the shooter's land to access their target house.
Legally speaking the man may go free.Moral considerations may be at odds with the law, but do not count much in court. In my state,as in many, it is not legal to use deadly force in this way. Personally, I wont judge the man, as he was there,in the heat of the moment, and I was not.
Re:Do you have a friggin clue where I live? Or as usual are you just running off the mouth telling folks to shut up???? I said sorry just my opion. This is a blog where folks write their opions right???? Well at least it was last time I checked! You need to take your meds lady! Get a life or something! I have listened to this news footage and the dispatcher at the 911 call center tapes. Do you also know Houston area is being put on the chopping block for usung high school students to run their 911 centers? See I think by living here and knowing the real story I am more informed than you but do I tell you to shut up? Nope it's a frigging blog lady! Either take your meds or go back to bed and get up on the other side!
NightNurse write:
Re: Oh shut the fuck up, Annie get yer gun.or Nancy,or whatever the hell your name is. If you read the article more carefully you would see that it has NO mention of anyone being in the house in question. There was no reason for him to kill those men in cold blood.They did not attack him. They had not caused harm to anyone.They had no weapons. Only a crowbar. And,obviously not professonal thieves either. Even the dispatcher told Mr Gun Happy that "property" was not worth killing someone over. What they did,the crime they comitted DID NOT deserve to be judged and juried and sentenced to death by some crazy gun happy old man. I guess it must be a "Christian" thing to do,to KILL people in cold blood just because they are trespassing,or attempting to break into a house? FYI: Protecting my loved ones and my home has nothing to do with what Flame has asked me,and it has nothing to do with you or your shitty response in retrospect to my answer to Flame. You have a lot of fucking nerve to challenge me about what I would do in that situation. I would give up my life for my loved ones and family. I would die for them.
HDCouple4U2NV write:
Re:I wonder if this was your house being robbed and your things had been violated hey lets just say your teenage daughter was home from school sick, would you still feel this was a bit much? I feel if you come close to my home or my neighbors home I will shoot and I am a darn good shot. And as far as could he have aimed for the knee he was shooting a shot gun, to those of you that don't know it splatters pellets everywhere. I think he deserves an award! I also feel if this was legal everywhere there would be NO crime! Sorry ladies just my opion.
NightNurse write:
Re: It was pre-meditated and with malice. They were no threat to him. He was in no immediate danger. They were not on his property. As per the article,they were doing a B&E on someone else's property,and they were not threatening or harming another human being on that property.He has no right to take the law into his own hands,and he has no God given right to take the life/lives of another human being. I can understand his vigilante efforts if the men were comitting murder,mayhem,and havoc which could have provoked his intervention with a split second decision,but they weren't. It was B&E. I rest my case. hehe!
Flame2000 write:
Re:NN..Thanks for your honest reaction! Why do you see it that way?
NightNurse write: Not a hero. He's a cold blooded murderer.
Re:Do you have a friggin clue where I live? Or as usual are you just running off the mouth telling folks to shut up???? I said sorry just my opion. This is a blog where folks write their opions right???? Well at least it was last time I checked! You need to take your meds lady! Get a life or something! I have listened to this news footage and the dispatcher at the 911 call center tapes. Do you also know Houston area is being put on the chopping block for usung high school students to run their 911 centers? See I think by living here and knowing the real story I am more informed than you but do I tell you to shut up? Nope it's a frigging blog lady! Either take your meds or go back to bed and get up on the other side!
NightNurse write:
Re: Oh shut the fuck up, Annie get yer gun.or Nancy,or whatever the hell your name is. If you read the article more carefully you would see that it has NO mention of anyone being in the house in question. There was no reason for him to kill those men in cold blood.They did not attack him. They had not caused harm to anyone.They had no weapons. Only a crowbar. And,obviously not professonal thieves either. Even the dispatcher told Mr Gun Happy that "property" was not worth killing someone over. What they did,the crime they comitted DID NOT deserve to be judged and juried and sentenced to death by some crazy gun happy old man. I guess it must be a "Christian" thing to do,to KILL people in cold blood just because they are trespassing,or attempting to break into a house? FYI: Protecting my loved ones and my home has nothing to do with what Flame has asked me,and it has nothing to do with you or your shitty response in retrospect to my answer to Flame. You have a lot of fucking nerve to challenge me about what I would do in that situation. I would give up my life for my loved ones and family. I would die for them.
HDCouple4U2NV write:
Re:I wonder if this was your house being robbed and your things had been violated hey lets just say your teenage daughter was home from school sick, would you still feel this was a bit much? I feel if you come close to my home or my neighbors home I will shoot and I am a darn good shot. And as far as could he have aimed for the knee he was shooting a shot gun, to those of you that don't know it splatters pellets everywhere. I think he deserves an award! I also feel if this was legal everywhere there would be NO crime! Sorry ladies just my opion.
NightNurse write:
Re: It was pre-meditated and with malice. They were no threat to him. He was in no immediate danger. They were not on his property. As per the article,they were doing a B&E on someone else's property,and they were not threatening or harming another human being on that property.He has no right to take the law into his own hands,and he has no God given right to take the life/lives of another human being. I can understand his vigilante efforts if the men were comitting murder,mayhem,and havoc which could have provoked his intervention with a split second decision,but they weren't. It was B&E. I rest my case. hehe!
Flame2000 write:
Re:NN..Thanks for your honest reaction! Why do you see it that way?
NightNurse write: Not a hero. He's a cold blooded murderer.
Re: Yeah, Great. Kill all the criminals. Bang Bang shoot 'em up. The country wouldn't be a better place. How could it be if hunting season is always open for criminals. What about the innocent men,women.or.children who could get caught in the cross fires of the renegade vigilantes? Who are you,or anyone, who is not within the judicial system,to say what "price" they should pay for their crime?
deepinthesticks write: I could not disagree more. I applaud Mr. Horn both for doing the right thing by his neighbor and on his marksmanship. Two criminals paid the price for their actions - good riddance.
I wish someone like Horn lived on my block. Actually, I wish someone like Mr. Horn lived on every block in every residential area in this country - crime rates would plummet and the country we live in would be a better place.
Sadly, our society & our legal system are so screwed up Mr. Horn may be subject to criminal charges, and almost certainly will be sued by the dead thieves' families. I'd send a few bucks to his legal defense fund if I had the address.
NightNurse write: Not a hero. He's a cold blooded murderer.
Re: Yeah, Great. Kill all the criminals. Bang Bang shoot 'em up. The country wouldn't be a better place. How could it be if hunting season is always open for criminals. What about the innocent men,women.or.children who could get caught in the cross fires of the renegade vigilantes? Who are you,or anyone, who is not within the judicial system,to say what "price" they should pay for their crime?
deepinthesticks write: I could not disagree more. I applaud Mr. Horn both for doing the right thing by his neighbor and on his marksmanship. Two criminals paid the price for their actions - good riddance.
I wish someone like Horn lived on my block. Actually, I wish someone like Mr. Horn lived on every block in every residential area in this country - crime rates would plummet and the country we live in would be a better place.
Sadly, our society & our legal system are so screwed up Mr. Horn may be subject to criminal charges, and almost certainly will be sued by the dead thieves' families. I'd send a few bucks to his legal defense fund if I had the address.
NightNurse write: Not a hero. He's a cold blooded murderer.
Re: Oh shut the fuck up, Annie get yer gun.or Nancy,or whatever the hell your name is. If you read the article more carefully you would see that it has NO mention of anyone being in the house in question. There was no reason for him to kill those men in cold blood.They did not attack him. They had not caused harm to anyone.They had no weapons. Only a crowbar. And,obviously not professonal thieves either. Even the dispatcher told Mr Gun Happy that "property" was not worth killing someone over. What they did,the crime they comitted DID NOT deserve to be judged and juried and sentenced to death by some crazy gun happy old man. I guess it must be a "Christian" thing to do,to KILL people in cold blood just because they are trespassing,or attempting to break into a house? FYI: Protecting my loved ones and my home has nothing to do with what Flame has asked me,and it has nothing to do with you or your shitty response in retrospect to my answer to Flame. You have a lot of fucking nerve to challenge me about what I would do in that situation. I would give up my life for my loved ones and family. I would die for them.
HDCouple4U2NV write:
Re:I wonder if this was your house being robbed and your things had been violated hey lets just say your teenage daughter was home from school sick, would you still feel this was a bit much? I feel if you come close to my home or my neighbors home I will shoot and I am a darn good shot. And as far as could he have aimed for the knee he was shooting a shot gun, to those of you that don't know it splatters pellets everywhere. I think he deserves an award! I also feel if this was legal everywhere there would be NO crime! Sorry ladies just my opion.
NightNurse write:
Re: It was pre-meditated and with malice. They were no threat to him. He was in no immediate danger. They were not on his property. As per the article,they were doing a B&E on someone else's property,and they were not threatening or harming another human being on that property.He has no right to take the law into his own hands,and he has no God given right to take the life/lives of another human being. I can understand his vigilante efforts if the men were comitting murder,mayhem,and havoc which could have provoked his intervention with a split second decision,but they weren't. It was B&E. I rest my case. hehe!
Flame2000 write:
Re:NN..Thanks for your honest reaction! Why do you see it that way?
NightNurse write: Not a hero. He's a cold blooded murderer.
Re: Oh shut the fuck up, Annie get yer gun.or Nancy,or whatever the hell your name is. If you read the article more carefully you would see that it has NO mention of anyone being in the house in question. There was no reason for him to kill those men in cold blood.They did not attack him. They had not caused harm to anyone.They had no weapons. Only a crowbar. And,obviously not professonal thieves either. Even the dispatcher told Mr Gun Happy that "property" was not worth killing someone over. What they did,the crime they comitted DID NOT deserve to be judged and juried and sentenced to death by some crazy gun happy old man. I guess it must be a "Christian" thing to do,to KILL people in cold blood just because they are trespassing,or attempting to break into a house? FYI: Protecting my loved ones and my home has nothing to do with what Flame has asked me,and it has nothing to do with you or your shitty response in retrospect to my answer to Flame. You have a lot of fucking nerve to challenge me about what I would do in that situation. I would give up my life for my loved ones and family. I would die for them.
HDCouple4U2NV write:
Re:I wonder if this was your house being robbed and your things had been violated hey lets just say your teenage daughter was home from school sick, would you still feel this was a bit much? I feel if you come close to my home or my neighbors home I will shoot and I am a darn good shot. And as far as could he have aimed for the knee he was shooting a shot gun, to those of you that don't know it splatters pellets everywhere. I think he deserves an award! I also feel if this was legal everywhere there would be NO crime! Sorry ladies just my opion.
NightNurse write:
Re: It was pre-meditated and with malice. They were no threat to him. He was in no immediate danger. They were not on his property. As per the article,they were doing a B&E on someone else's property,and they were not threatening or harming another human being on that property.He has no right to take the law into his own hands,and he has no God given right to take the life/lives of another human being. I can understand his vigilante efforts if the men were comitting murder,mayhem,and havoc which could have provoked his intervention with a split second decision,but they weren't. It was B&E. I rest my case. hehe!
Flame2000 write:
Re:NN..Thanks for your honest reaction! Why do you see it that way?
NightNurse write: Not a hero. He's a cold blooded murderer.
Re:I wonder if this was your house being robbed and your things had been violated hey lets just say your teenage daughter was home from school sick, would you still feel this was a bit much? I feel if you come close to my home or my neighbors home I will shoot and I am a darn good shot. And as far as could he have aimed for the knee he was shooting a shot gun, to those of you that don't know it splatters pellets everywhere. I think he deserves an award! I also feel if this was legal everywhere there would be NO crime! Sorry ladies just my opion.
NightNurse write:
Re: It was pre-meditated and with malice. They were no threat to him. He was in no immediate danger. They were not on his property. As per the article,they were doing a B&E on someone else's property,and they were not threatening or harming another human being on that property.He has no right to take the law into his own hands,and he has no God given right to take the life/lives of another human being. I can understand his vigilante efforts if the men were comitting murder,mayhem,and havoc which could have provoked his intervention with a split second decision,but they weren't. It was B&E. I rest my case. hehe!
Flame2000 write:
Re:NN..Thanks for your honest reaction! Why do you see it that way?
NightNurse write: Not a hero. He's a cold blooded murderer.
Re:I wonder if this was your house being robbed and your things had been violated hey lets just say your teenage daughter was home from school sick, would you still feel this was a bit much? I feel if you come close to my home or my neighbors home I will shoot and I am a darn good shot. And as far as could he have aimed for the knee he was shooting a shot gun, to those of you that don't know it splatters pellets everywhere. I think he deserves an award! I also feel if this was legal everywhere there would be NO crime! Sorry ladies just my opion.
NightNurse write:
Re: It was pre-meditated and with malice. They were no threat to him. He was in no immediate danger. They were not on his property. As per the article,they were doing a B&E on someone else's property,and they were not threatening or harming another human being on that property.He has no right to take the law into his own hands,and he has no God given right to take the life/lives of another human being. I can understand his vigilante efforts if the men were comitting murder,mayhem,and havoc which could have provoked his intervention with a split second decision,but they weren't. It was B&E. I rest my case. hehe!
Flame2000 write:
Re:NN..Thanks for your honest reaction! Why do you see it that way?
NightNurse write: Not a hero. He's a cold blooded murderer.
you try to steal my things and you will pay. the difference between me and him is i wouldn't call the cops and your body wont be found. the 2 guys had no reason to live. there just pieces of shit with no respect for anyone else. and sorry people that think hes a murder, but who is to say they didn't have guns. and what about the possibility of them robbing a store with a gun? look how many people killed when there being robbed and offer no resistance. I'm sorry, but the reason we have such a high crime rate is because of the people that are willing to say that protecting your property is wrong.
I for one am tired of all these people that feel sorry for criminals. they have no right taking my things, and i should have the right to protect my things. its not like the guys were coming to ask to use the phone. they were caught in the act. so screw the dirt bags.
you try to steal my things and you will pay. the difference between me and him is i wouldn't call the cops and your body wont be found. the 2 guys had no reason to live. there just pieces of shit with no respect for anyone else.
and sorry people that think hes a murder, but who is to say they didn't have guns. and what about the possibility of them robbing a store with a gun? look how many people killed when there being robbed and offer no resistance.
I'm sorry, but the reason we have such a high crime rate is because of the people that are willing to say that protecting your property is wrong.
I for one am tired of all these people that feel sorry for criminals. they have no right taking my things, and i should have the right to protect my things. its not like the guys were coming to ask to use the phone. they were caught in the act. so screw the dirt bags.
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